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gimp80995
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared Walczak wrote: | Two things:
Gimp: Take a look again near the top of this page at the list of problems in Seventh Day Adventism.
Have liberalism and ecumenical beliefs seeped into many churches? Absolutely. But not all churches. Not by far. Seventh Day Adventism, with its beliefs in faith healing, modern-day prophesy (remember, your founder predicted that Christ would come back to take the church in 1844 and as far as I know, no one was raptured back then...), a very nonbiblical view of life after death (the "soul sleep" theory), of the prerequisites of salvation and atonement (baptism being required for salvation, keeping of the sabbath being necessary), an altogether unfounded belief in what the mark of the beast is that would mean that all of the apostles accepted the mark and are currently burning in hell (although not for long, as hell eventually ends, according to the SDAs), a belief that salvation can be lost (unfortunately, many believe this, but SDAs go so far as to say that drinking alcohol is a sin that can cause you to lose your salvation; for all your opposition to Catholicism, that sounds VERY much like the Catholic concept of a "mortal sin")....
The SDAs deny many basic Bible teachings, completely throw out the book of Acts (except for a few chapters twisted to supposedly prove their doctrines of prophesy, etc.), follow the teachings of a woman who has prophesied wrongfully (even if you believe in modern prophesy, don't forget to go by the rules: the OT says that a true prophet's words will ALWAYS be true...) and teach an incorrect view of salvation and keeping that salvation.
Seventh Day Adventist teaching ISN'T compatible with Christianity. |
Yes, the founders of the SDA church believed and taught that Christ would return in 1844 (which led to the Great Disappointment)
Between 1831 and 1844, William Miller--a Baptist preacher and former army captain in the War of 1812--launched the "great second advent awakening" which eventually spread throughout most of the Christian world. Based on his study of the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, Miller calculated that Jesus would return to earth sometime between 1843 and 1844. Others within the movement calculated a specific date of October 22, 1844. When Jesus did not appear, Miller's followers experienced what became to be called "the great Disappointment."
Most of the thousands who had joined the movement, left it, in deep disillusionment. A few, however, went back to their Bibles to find why they had been disappointed. Soon they concluded that the October 22 date had indeed been correct. They became convinced that the Bible prophecy predicted not that Jesus would return to earth in 1844, but that He would begin at that time a special ministry in heaven for His followers. They still looked for Jesus to come soon, however, as do Seventh-day Adventists yet today.
From this small group who refused to give up after the "great disappointment" arose several leaders who built the foundation of what would become the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Standing out among these leaders were a young couple--James and Ellen G. White -- and a retired sea captain named Joseph Bates.
This small nucleus of "adventists" began to grow -- mainly in the New England states of America, where Miller's movement had begun. Ellen G. White, a mere teenager at the time of the "great Disappointment," grew into a gifted author, speaker and administrator, who would become and remain the trusted spiritual counselor of the Adventist family for more than seventy years until her death in 1915. Early Adventists came to believe -- as have Adventists ever since -- that she enjoyed God's special guidance as she wrote her counsels to the growing body of believers.
In 1860, at Battle Creek Michigan, the loosely knit congregations of Adventists chose the name Seventh-day Adventist and in 1863 formally organized a church body with a membership of 3,500. At first, work was largely confined to North America until 1874 when the Church's first missionary, J. N. Andrews, was sent to Switzerland. Africa was penetrated briefly in 1879 when Dr. H. P. Ribton, an early convert in Italy, moved to Egypt and opened a school, but the project ended when riots broke out in the vicinity.
The first non-Protestant Christian country entered was Russia, where an Adventist minister went in 1886. On October 20, 1890, the schooner Pitcairn was launched at San Francisco and was soon engaged in carrying missionaries to the Pacific Islands. Seventh-day Adventist workers first entered non-Christian countries in 1894 -- Gold Coast (Ghana), West Africa, and Matabeleland, South Africa. The same year saw missionaries entering South America, and in 1896 there were representatives in Japan. The Church now has established work in 209 countries.
The publication and distribution of literature were major factors in the growth of the Advent movement. The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald (now the Adventist Review), general church paper, was launched in Paris, Maine, in 1850; the Youth's Instructor in Rochester, New York, in 1852; and the Signs of the Times in Oakland, California, in 1874. The first denominational publishing house at Battle Creek, Michigan, began operating in 1855 and was duly incorporated in 1861 under the name of Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association.
The Health Reform Institute, later known as the Battle Creek Sanitarium, opened its doors in 1866, and missionary society work was organized on a statewide basis in 1870. The first of the Church's worldwide network of schools was established in 1872, and 1877 saw the formation of statewide Sabbath school associations. In 1903, the denominational headquarters was moved from Battle Creek, Michigan, to Washington, D.C., and in 1989 to Silver Spring, Maryland, where it continues to form the nerve center of ever-expanding work
We were not the first Sabbath-keepers (up 'til the "great disappointment" Adventists were not Sabbath-keepers).......in fact (if my memory is correct, we began studying the issue after James and Ellen G. White met a Seventh-day Baptist who kept the 7th day Sabbath).
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The Top Crusader
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared Walczak wrote: |
Top: You say that Baptist churches are "different." From what? From, say, a Methodist church? Yep. But couldn't you conversely say that the Methodist church is different from the Baptist church? |
Ummmm... yes... I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Baptist and Nazerene are two Christian denominations that are different than each other. Is that not true? Yes? So I take it you're practicing your political skills of saying things for no reason to take up space.  |
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Jared
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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My apologies... I was under the impression that you were saying that Baptists and Nazarenes were two denominations that differed from generally accepted Christian teaching but still had a solid grasp of the basics (despite, I falsely implied from what you said, their strange beliefs on lesser issues).
Sorry about that!
Gimp: Did you write any of that besides the first and last paragraph? If you're quoting a book or article, reference it at minimum. If it's online, just provide the link... |
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Gandalf
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, guys.... I haven't been reading this and I'm not going to read it all right now, but you all need to take a step back and breath. There is a very sencible explanation for this whole discussion. There are actually two types of 7th Day Adventists.
1) Is the type that basically believe what Baptists believe except they believe that Saturday is the Sabboth. They don't believe it's a sin to not worship on Saturday anymore than I believe it's a sin not to worship on Sunday. I can really like these people!
2) This is they cult type. They believe a lot of different things but in summarary I'll just say that the basic belief they hold that is heresy is the same that Catholocism and the Christian Church teaches: something other than faith or in addition to faith (faith being defined as simple belief), for example: Baptism, Sacraments, Repentance, etc., is required for Salvation. They completely undermine the Holy Sacrifice of Jehovah's only Begotten Son and border on humanism by saying that people have an equal share in Salvation as God does.
There are many other things that this type of 7th Day Adventist believe but this is the only really important issue since it damns people to the Everlasting Punishment. |
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The Top Crusader
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared Walczak wrote: | My apologies... I was under the impression that you were saying that Baptists and Nazarenes were two denominations that differed from generally accepted Christian teaching but still had a solid grasp of the basics (despite, I falsely implied from what you said, their strange beliefs on lesser issues).
Sorry about that! |
Quite alright. I had just assumed you'd finally gone crazy. |
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SNOOZIE
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| my friend goes to an adventist school but she doesn't beleive exzactly what they say. the main issue implied by the name is that they worship on a different day. as for worship, as long as christians set aside a special day for worship and felowship with other christians. |
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smurfs
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Just to tell SOME of you guys, at my church (its an Irish Catholic Church) we do worship the same God as you do!!!! and SOME of you guys may have forgotten that Catholocism is appart of the Christain-extended faith (what that means is that when the messege of Christ came to the Europe it split up and went different ways, and so that is how some beliefs of Christ started) and so Catholics are Christains.  |
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Jared
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I'm not going to get into the whole "are Catholics Christians?" debate right now unless people really want to do so, but let me state that belief in God does NOT make one a Christian.
Ninety percent of Americans believe in God. Are ninety percent of Americans Christians? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
And God has specifically set down a way to salvation. Even if you "believe in" the same God, if you refuse His set forth way of salvation, you can't be a Christian, can you?
Furthermore, look at the Jews. They believe in the same God as well, but do not accept the Triune Godhead and divinity of Christ. But, under your logic, they could actually be Christians. After all, they believe in the same God...
And the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses and dozens of other cults all believe in the same God, but they aren't Christians.
I believe that some Catholics are Christians in spite of their chosen church... but I cannot accept Catholicism as a true Christian denomination. They believe in the same God, yes. But they don't believe in His Word and commands. They add, take away and change doctrine. It is one thing to say that you believe in God and another entirely to do what He requires. |
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pianokitty
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| i haven't heard much about the 7th day Adventists...but the Jehovah witness' come to our door handing us fliers about 4 times a year... |
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smurfs
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| if you refuse His set forth way of salvation, you can't be a Christian, can you? I was tought that you cant be a Christain, and most of the Catholics in my church do believe in Gods word!!!! and as do I !!!!!!!!! |
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