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smurfs · Guest

That is why were mad at canda because they betrade us Crying or Very sad

P.S. To those canadians that are planing to go Ani-American: If you chose to do that then you wouldent be able to listen to AIO or go on the fan sites or even go into this chat room, so just think about what I said

Ferder- · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:33 am Post subject:

Of course i'm not anti American. Your country is our friend.

Jared · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:46 am Post subject:

IL_Queen, please, quit the bashing!

It's one thing to show dislike for the current Canadian government and its policies. It's another thing entirely to just flat out hate Canadians.

It's one thing to be dismayed at a growing anti-Americanism in Canada. It's a very different thing to accuse every Canadian of being anti-American.

It's one thing to dislike - even greatly dislike - Chretein. It's one thing to be appalled at Canada's socialism. But that doesn't justify hating all Canadians or lashing out at the Canadians here.

If a Canadian at this board wants to defend Canada's system, I'll debate them on it. But we shouldn't assume that every Canadian is responsible for that country's problems any more than you or I are responsible for all of America's problems. Overall, yes. As a people, we allowed terrible things, and Canada has done even worse.

But not every Canadian approves of those things. In fact, I'd say that nearly all the Canadians on this board are conservative and are dismayed at the path the party in power is leading their country.

So if you want to join in the debate, feel free. But don't just call names and throw out accusations.

smurfs · Guest

Im not saying that every canadian is Ani-American the way Extraneous Interence put it made it sound that way and that is why I thought that which is very dumb and im very sorry, and the thing about me being Ani-Canadian, is just dumb sure im very mad but I wouldent go that fare!!! besides im part canadian and some of my family is up there. AND SO TO EVERY PERSON ON THE BROAD IM VERY SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

extraneous interference · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:43 pm Post subject: Re:

Jared:

you are right to criticize Canada for 'biting the hand that feeds us.' Canada is in the wrong by breaking this trust. If Canada wants to exercise sovereignty, than perhaps one of the best ways would be to invest in a Canadian army. I just heard some stats about this, i'm not sure how accurate they are though.
the canadian gov't invests 1.5% of the annual budget to the military, while the United States invests 20-30% in their military. and considering the USA is 10X bigger, or more, in every respect, such a difference in military spending shows Canada's dependence on their allies.

however, i certainly take issue with something you said:

Jared -- "Overall, yes. As a people, we allowed terrible things, and Canada has done even worse."

I disagree. In reference to this war, Canadians support disarming Iraq, but Chretien wanted to go through the UN. This doesn't mean that Canada supports Sadam. I know that the UN inspections were pretty much useless and showed no promise of success, but Canada is not siding with the Iraqis. i resent that distinction the US makes when they say you are either with us or with the terrorists.

and lets consider some american history and involvement in wars
WW I. how long did it take the Americans to join this war? hmm... look it up.
WW II. The jews are being slaughtered, Europe has been conquered by an undemocratic dictator (isn't that just the worst? surely you americans must agree) and the United States remains neutral until the Japanese decided to awake the sleeping giant. sure, the Americans contributed via supplies to the allies, but they did not commit to the war until they lost some of their own... and then they dropped a couple of those nasty bombs on a bunch of innocent japanese civilians....
and how was Canada involved in these wars? in WW I, we were involved from the first day. In WW II, we joined the war 6 days after it started....
I'm not sure of American involvement in the Korean war, but Canada was there.
Since former Prime Minister Lester Pearson won the Nobel Peace Prize for "inventing" peacekeeping, Canada has been the leader in peacekeeping missions.
now, i don't know about vietnam, in fact, I know very little about that war, but looking back now, it looks like Canada did well in not participating in that fiasco.

there are things in Canada that are not right, for example, we have the no restrictions on abortions, but the US is not far behind. also consider, Canada did not systematically kill of our Native population in our western expansion.
in terms of allowing terrible things, I think Canada has done fairly well

smurfs · Guest

After what Extraneous Inerference said about America, it made me feel like I was living in hell
(I dont like this feeling at all) Crying or Very sad

P.S. I know better than that AMERICA is nothing like hell and Im glad Very Happy

Gandalf · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:02 pm Post subject:

extraneous interference, no worries 'bout the name. You're not the first or last to misspell it.

I have to agree mostly with what you said. Canada it seems has had a very good foreign policy right now. I for one am not upset Canada hasn't commited troops to Iraq. If they want to be neutral, be neutral for Pete's sake! I haven't heard anything from New Zealand, or South Africa, or a dozen other countries that could get involved but have for the most part stayed neutral. Did Canada stay neutral? No, they joined with France and Germany.

The outcome from the UN would NOT have been the same. We would have had to wait at least 6 months (the only thing the French would agree to) and by then our military (and I'm guessing yours?) wouldn't have been able to handle the heat. We would have had to wait another 3 months for the weather to allow for ground troops and that would have given at least 9 more months of time for Saddam to use his weapons of mass-destruction (no one denies he has them anymore) on Israel and the USA. Plus, all those ships we keep hearing about with water mines and unused weapons would have been up. More ally causlties would have ensued. And this is what France, Germany AND Canada wanted.

And BTW, don't think you're not next buddy. After the Israel and the US, these muslim radicals (note the word radicals, I'm not saying all muslims are like this) would have moved on to other forms of democracies and countries that do not openly persecute Christians and Jews. Canada would have been on that list, along with France and Russia. These people hate any forms of democracy and religion besides Islam.

America is not perfect, no country is. Shall we discuss what the Brittish Empire (at the least you were still connected and at best you sat aside and did nothing) did to the colonies? If your not familiar, just go rent "The Patriot". Most of that stuff in it really happened. They (you) murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent women and children in order to excersize tyranical power of a country you had declared out from under your authority.

I'm not sure the Canadian government has done worse than the American government, simply because you haven't had the chance. If your government countrolled our country, just think of the mess we'd be in.

I don't think you can credit Canada for it's getting involved in WWI, perhaps II but definately not I. Every member of the Commonwealth was involved. And even in WWII you had signed a little document that said pledged your support to Great Brittain. We never did such a thing. And, I'll add, WWI wasn't our war. Looking back I STILL don't think we should have gotten involved.

Anyway, this is getting fun! I enjoy talking world politics and I don't mean to offend anyone.

extraneous interference · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:06 pm Post subject: war in Iraq

extraneous interference · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:53 am Post subject: paper

I've finished my paper on the subject, if anyone would like to read it, just email me.

Jared · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:03 am Post subject:

I've emailed you about sending me a copy, but post it here as well so we can all read it and praise or criticize it. :)

Okay, so I doubt we'll criticize it.

I'd love to read it, though, and I'm sure that there are at least a few others that would be interested as well.