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Coralfish · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:17 pm Post subject: Premature Surrender.....

If all the Iraqi troops follow suit, this may prove to be one short conflict!

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31423

Of course, I don`t think that will probably be the case, but it is interesting to think about....

Perhaps these soldiers took lessons from the French! Wink

Jared · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah, but the British division involved ... SENT THEM BACK!

One of three things will now happen:

-- They'll surrender again, this time to Americans.
-- They'll return and be forced to fight against us.
-- Saddam will have them killed for their treason.

The Brits should have accepted the surrender.

Then again, capturing them would have been an act of war and I guess we can't do that just yet, can we? Smile

hawkeye · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:29 am Post subject:

I laughed at that when I first heard it, but afterwards, I realized the surrender could have been an attempt at sabatague....

Jared · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:08 am Post subject:

Personally, I very much doubt it. These people were legitimately frightened. They heard exercise fire and raced to surrender... and what sort of sabotage could they have done from inside detainment cells?

hawkeye · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:58 am Post subject:

They easily could have been wearing explosives under their clothes, and they could have been two guys Saddam's people nabbed and told 'pudhing this button will save the world' or something like that.... It is just a possibility...

Coralfish · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 3:04 pm Post subject:

Although, I don`t think that is the case. Apparently it wasn`t the case, because they didn`t do it, however, isn`t it more in the style of those people to target civillian areas?

I hope that I am not changing the subject by posting this, but I recieved in in an e-mail from a friend,and though that it was a really good article.....not only that, it was written by a British journalist!

Note: You can also read the article at the Mirror website:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/columnists/tonyparsons/tonyparsons/page.cfm?objectid=12188969&method=full&siteid=50143An Article in an English Paper

No matter what your views on President Bush's
statement of upcoming war, this, from an English
journalist, is very interesting. For those of
you not familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror, this
is a notoriously left-wing daily that is normally
not supportive of the Colonials across the
Alantic.

Tony Parsons Daily Mirror September 11, 2002.

ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind
of
broadcasting -- the mass murder of thousands,
live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless
cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up
there, with Pol Pot's mountain of skulls in
Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like
garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An
unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so
utterly merciless that surely the world could
agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate.
Surely there could be consensus: the victims were
truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.

But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is
increasingly seen as America's comeuppance.
Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over
the last year. There has always been a simmering
resentment to the USA in this country - too loud,
too rich, too full of themselves and so much
happier than Europeans - but it has become an
epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More
than that, it turns my stomach.

America is this country's greatest friend and our
staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by
culture, language and blood. A little over half
a century ago, around half a million Americans
died for our freedoms, as well as their own.
Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year
ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and
children - not just Americans, but from dozens of
countries - were butchered by a small group of
religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray
them?

What touched the heart about those who died in
the twin towers and on the planes was that we
recognized them. Young fathers and mothers,
somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands
and wives, and children, some unborn.

And these people brought it on themselves? And
their nation is to blame for the meticulously
planned slaughter of their own people?

These days you don't have to be some
dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or
Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan.
The anti-American alliance is made up of
self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans
for every ill in
the Third World, and conservatives suffering from
power-envy, bitter that the world's only
superpower can do what it likes without having to
ask permission.

The truth is that America has behaved with
enormous restraint since September 11.

Remember, remember.

Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men
phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before
they were burned alive.

Remember those people leaping to their deaths
from the top of burning skyscrapers.

Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.

Remember the smiling face of that beautiful
little girl who was on one of the planes with her
mum.

Remember, remember - and realize that America has
never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the
way it could have.

So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a
trial in Camp X-ray?

Pass the Kleenex...

So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up
after they merrily fired their semi-automatics in
a sky full of American planes? A shame, but
maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the
world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a
sign of strength. American voices are already
being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what
a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic
world will have a minute's silence for the
slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic
leaders will have the guts to say that the mass
murder of 9/11 was an abomination?

When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank,
those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in
the street. America watched all of that - and
didn't push the button. We should thank the
stars that America is the most powerful nation in
the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11
did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on
terrorism." A real war.

The fundamentalist dudes are talking out "opening
the gates of hell," if America attacks Iraq.
Well, America could have opened the gates of hell
like you wouldn't believe.

The US is the most militarily powerful nation
that ever strode the face of the earth. The
campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than
perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be
misconceived.

But don't blame America for not bringing peace
and light to these wretched countries. How many
democracies are there in the Middle East, or in
the Muslim world? You can count them on the
fingers of one hand -assuming you haven't had any
chopped off for minor shoplifting.

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess
that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather
be a dog in New York City than a Prince in
Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it
is what every country wants to be - rich, free,
strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the
past, or religion, or some caste system. America
is the best friend this country ever had and we
should start remembering that.

Or do you really think the USA is the root of all
evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and
women who leaped to their death from the burning
towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose
husbands died on one of the hijacked planes,
or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper.
And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose
husbands worked for the New York Fire Department.

To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than
Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam
gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set
up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes
Quality Street.

Save me the orange center, oh mighty one!

Remember, remember, September 11.

One of the greatest atrocities in human history
was committed against America.

No, do more than remember. Never forget

UK's Daily Mirror Newspaper

hawkeye · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject:

WOW! That guy wrote a great article! I hadn't even realized the point we had tremendous restraint after 09/11....

That is up there with Darryl Worley's song "Have you forgotten?" (Country song).
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