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Coralfish · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:32 am Post subject: War and Iraq

War has officially been declared, and unfortunately the newspapers in our city are trying to downsize it as much as possible.

The following article gives some information on the current situation and the threats that Iraq and Al Queda are posing to the US and other countries:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78361,00.html

If anyone has comments or a better link, please post them here.
Also, at this time in our nation's history, we need to be praying for our leaders, that they make the right and just decisions.[/url]

Jared · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:49 am Post subject: Re: War and Iraq

Coralfish · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:00 pm Post subject:

I was not speaking of the US declaring war on Iraq, but rather the Bin Laden tape, and it's declaration of war on the US. If indeed there is a link between Bin Ladens statements and Saddam`s sentiments...., we have had war declared upon us.

Jared · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:20 pm Post subject:

I think that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda declared war on us long before this -- and long before September 11th. Perhaps the starting-point of a true war waged against the U.S. was 1996 when they bombed the two embassies, perhaps before.

And even though Osama and Saddam are very far from friends, they aren't idiots. The enemy of my enemy is my friend... Al Qaeda and Iraq know that and absolutely, they have teamed up.

They declared war on us long ago. Now, let's acknowledge that and show them the stupidity of declaring war on the United States.

And, for the record (not that there is any record here), I do not personally believe that bin Laden is alive. There's no other logical explanation of the lack of videotapes. Consider:

1. If bin Laden is alive and doesn't want that to be known, he would release ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! No video, no audio, no written statements.

2. If bin Laden is alive and wants us to know that he's alive, he would use video, not audiotape. In the past, he's always used video. He did so up until the December 2001 battle of Torra Borra... then he disappeared from the radar screen entirely. And finally, audiotapes and letters surface. If he wants to show the world that he survived an attack by the United States, he would provide real evidence: video! And he'd be holding up a fresh copy of the New York Times...

3. Theories that bin Laden isn't doing video so that he doesn't give away visual clues of where he is don't stand up. He ran into trouble of this kind before the war started, having himself filed in front of a cave... and experts in the U.S. were able to determine the general area based upon the rock types. However, the news media kindly released the fact that we knew this and thus alerted bin Laden... From that point on, until he disappeared completely in December of 2001, the video was in rooms, with sheets over the windows. No clues there. Surely he could still be doing this if he were alive, right?

4. If bin Laden is not alive but the Al Qaeda network wants us to think he is, they would quickly realize that it is quite possible to find a person able to mimic a voice - especially when it's a voice on scratchy tape, from a man who we imagine could have suffered injuries and in a language we aren't very familiar with. To an English-speaking person, all men speaking, say, Spanish, sound a little alike, don't they? Now, make that Farsi, add middle east conditions, scratchy tape and possible injuries that could have theoretically changed some vocal characteristics -- all of the sudden, it doesn't sound so hard for Osama's voice to be mimicked, does it? But video -- that's hard. To find a person who looks exactly like Osama, right down to any moles he may have on his neck, is not easy. Thus, no video.

Conclusion: Osama bin Laden has, as Rush Limbaugh puts it, "assumed cave temperature."

Coralfish · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:40 pm Post subject:

But then, if Bin Laden is no longer alive(as you surmise), what then is the point of releasing an audio tape supposedly containing Bin Laden`s voice, if other than to irk the US by tring to give evidence of his still being alive?
Would they not realize that the US would become suspicious at thier not being able to produce solid evidence? If then, they do not care whether or not the US knows Bin Laden is dead, couldn't they just find another spokesperson, without claiming that it is Bin Laden, or does the name evoke a larger reaction from the population, that they feel it would be more effective?

As I am not very eloquent in typing my ideas, the above will probably not make a large amount of sense.....

Jared · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject:

Felicity Carden · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:16 pm Post subject:

*SCREAM* NO! NO! NO! *hides* Please, no war... why can't we be like RainbowBrite and live in harmony?! *cries* I don't want to die or get nuked by a bomb!!!! *WAILS*

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Jared · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:39 pm Post subject: !

hawkeye · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:40 pm Post subject:

I don't think nukes will be a large issue in this war from the aspect of most citizens (of most countries). However, war is sometimes neccessary, sad though it is.

The Bible says peace wont be achieved until world government is achieved. While I am against world government, I realize Christ won't come until after that, along with a few other things, happens.

Regardless, remeber. God is with you, so you have nothing to fear.