The Town Hall Archives

Tianlet · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject:

I think before I dig myself a pit I can't get out of that Jeremy should define "remotely address." Smoking, for instance, was something I said, but maybe he is thinking of the same passage I was about the body being the temple of the Holy Spirit.

I need to know what you're thinking to argue w/ it.

Amadeo · Senior Member Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 1207

Jeremy · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject:

howdypardner · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:

The KJV, while it is a beautiful translation, is rapidly becoming out-of-date for the average person. English as it is spoken today is far different from the language in 1611. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain Bible verses to kids at church - they honestly don't know what "thee" or "hearken" means. Also, many times I've been working with kids who barely spoke today's English, let alone the King's English. Why should we force someone to learn a new language to understand the Bible? Yes, the Word of God is living and active - but we don't need to be putting obstacles in the way of children understanding it.

Another issue I have with the KJV today is that it gives the impression that all the characters in the Bible spoke Old English. These were real flesh-and-blood people with favorite colors and pet peeves; when they're saying "Verily, behold" and so on, it takes away from their humanity (especially Jesus' disciples).

Arem852003 · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject:

the only reason i said my church was like a cult is because they believe only the people of that church and denomanation will go to heaven. because my mom and i decided to go to a different church and denomanation they think we will die and go to hell, which is not the case. im as saved as i was the first day i asked Christ to save me.

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Ami · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject:

Hey

I've not gotten into this disscussion because I still support the authorized version, and I didn't and still don't want to get into a debate about it. There are reasons I believe it, and no, I've not been brainwashed.
I also haven't read this entire thread. I just wanted to comment on what you said, Arem. I wanted to say an emphatic NO in that you are not wrong in believe that Jesus forgives all mistakes, or sins, as long as we confess them. If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It clearly states this (or closely states this) in the Bible. Always remember, whatever the Bible says we can take it as truth because..
In the beginning was the word, and the word was God and the Word was with God, the same was in the beginning with God, all things were made by him, and without him, was not anything made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men, and the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. (I'm not sure if this is verbatim... I'm at school, and my Bible is in my locker)
I said all that to say this. The Bible is truth. God inspired many different men to write it, yes, but the words are God's word, God cannot lie, He cannot sin. He is God. Whatever he says is. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be here today Smile

Anyways, Arem, I hope that helps. God always forgives and forgets if we will but ask him.
Have a good day, and God Bless

Jeremy · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

Arem,

No, you are not blowing things out of proportion at all. I would definitely call a church like that cult-like, as well. There is simply no excuse for that type of behavior/attitude/teaching from a church which calls itself Christian. The term for it is "spiritual abuse."

And yes, since you are saved, all of your sins have been forgiven. Period. "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1)

Jeremy

Arwen · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:

I agree that the church seems very legalistic. Though you should try not to sin, God does forgive you when you do, and he lets you start anew.

And they're DEAD wrong about Casting Crowns. They are as real (and friendly) as they can be (I just saw them 2 weeks ago).
I wonder what the church would think if they visited a church where Mark Hall is a youth PASTOR. Rolling Eyes