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Jonathan Dungeon Master

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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| *daniel wrote: | | we also have to candidly admit he was leader of the Church of Rome, a church that pursues another gospel, another agenda, and ultimately another god. |
Another gospel/agenda/god? Could someone clarify?
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Coralfish Town Hall Judge

Joined: 17 Dec 2002 Posts: 1790 Location: Southern Academia
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| *daniel wrote: | | On the other hand, he did a lot of good things. Just like Ghandi. Just like Princess Di. Was he a good man? In that sense, yes. Maybe a "better" man would be the best term. Was he a great man? Arguable, but probably. |
And there I would disagree. Pope John Paul was neither a Ghandi nor a Princess Diana, nor classifiable in the same regard. I would argue that the aformentioned may have done good, but certainly not good for Christ. In any event, I tend to think we'll be in a permanent sort of disagreement on that point.
| *daniel wrote: | | we also have to candidly admit he was leader of the Church of Rome, a church that pursues another gospel, another agenda, and ultimately another god. |
This thread would veer drastically offtopic if I were to respond, so I'll merely thank you for responding, Daniel, and leave the thread open for further, (related) comments.
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dawningoftime Child's Portion Diet Mini Cheeseburger

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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Catholics pray to Mary and in fact some are trying to make Mary on equal level with God (not kidding). Outside of the Bible they have the Apacrypha sp? There is also confession which is where they go and confess sins to a priest. The idea of good works getting you into heaven plays very heavily into the Catholic doctrine. One thing that really bothered me about the Passion of the Christ was with some of the things that Mel Gibson said about the protestant churches supporting it. |
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Coralfish Town Hall Judge

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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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In reply to Dawningoftime: If you'd like to start another topic dealing with Catholic theology, feel free, but this is the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid in this thread.
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*daniel I like pudding.

Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Posts: 594 Location: Toronto.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Coralfish wrote: | In reply to Dawningoftime: If you'd like to start another topic dealing with Catholic theology, feel free, but this is the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid in this thread.
Thanks. |
Done! Feel free to be embroiled in that controversy here  |
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GusDeHaan The TH. Inspector and etc.

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 763 Location: Im so bright You need sunglasses.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| As much as I am in favour of discussing things, I think if anyone who is not catholic and considers themselves Christians with a firm sense of the message presented in the Gospel can read up on the Catholic ideologies and notice the obvious differences that have been noted as , " false".. And that would avoid people speaking things that they may or may not regret...... Then again, maybe I am not Libertarian enough for this board. [ Jokes haahahah] |
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Continental Admiral Ornery Member

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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While discussions are fine, I think perhaps we should watch how we word things around here. There is a polite and careful way of putting things, and there is a way that harms people and causes lashing out. |
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Arwen Really Likes Personalized Ranks

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 1193 Location: The Middle of Nowhere
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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OK.
1. Christian faith rests on the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. If we believe that he died for our sins, and we accept His free gift: we are saved. If the pope believed that, then he is in heaven.
2. The Catholic church believes certain things that go against the Bible. Anyone who believes those things is wrong. However, they can still be Christians if they believe and accept Christ.
Catholicism in and of itself is NOT Christian, but there are such people as Catholic Christians. |
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GusDeHaan The TH. Inspector and etc.

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 763 Location: Im so bright You need sunglasses.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Arwen wrote: | OK.
1. Christian faith rests on the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. If we believe that he died for our sins, and we accept His free gift: we are saved. If the pope believed that, then he is in heaven.
2. The Catholic church believes certain things that go against the Bible. Anyone who believes those things is wrong. However, they can still be Christians if they believe and accept Christ.
Catholicism in and of itself is NOT Christian, but there are such people as Catholic Christians. |
Fair, and True. |
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*daniel I like pudding.

Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Posts: 594 Location: Toronto.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... not to embroil ourselves in unnecessary controversy (this has already happened several other place I visit), but Roman Catholic theology as a humanistic bent. The exact thing, I think, that caused the reformation and our Protestant split from Rome.
That's not to say that RC's can't have a saving faith - but it's not because of the Church's theology, but in spite of it. In fact, that a lot of Catholics don't understand their own beliefs might be their saving grace.
But it also goes to show that a lot of Protestants don't understand ours or theirs, considering how so many people are lauding the pope as a great saint, which I can't be brought around to saying. |
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