The Town Hall Archives Ahh, the nostalgia.     Search   Memberlist   Log in  [TS] Catholic theology (and the Pope)      The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company Goto page Previous  1, 2 View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jeremy The Great Debater Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 448 Location: Arizona, USA Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Arwen wrote: OK. 1. Christian faith rests on the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. If we believe that he died for our sins, and we accept His free gift: we are saved. If the pope believed that, then he is in heaven. The Pope taught a false gospel and believed that Mary was his savior. Look at this one quote from John Paul II, from a public prayer: "Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation." What does the Bible itself say about those who teach a false gospel? Quote: "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:6-9 NIV.) The problem is that evangelicals no longer seem to take the Bible seriously enough. And I, like *daniel, am sick of it. Jeremy Broadcast Child's Portion Diet Mini Cheeseburger Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Posts: 99 Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Jeremy wrote: Quote: "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:6-9 NIV.) This verse could be interpreted very differently then it was meant to be. "Eternally Condemned" What is the exact deffinition to being 'eternally condenmed'. Broadcast *daniel I like pudding. Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Posts: 594 Location: Toronto. Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Also a problem with using a verse like that is "that we have accepted". The Roman Catholic Church would use something like that - though slim it might be - to argue that it's not so much the power and authority of scripture as the acceptance of the Church proper that matters. Jeremy The Great Debater Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 448 Location: Arizona, USA Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Well, in his first warning, Paul says "a gospel other than the one we preached to you," and then he spends the whole epistle reiterating what that Gospel is. Broadcast, could you explain what you meant? What do you think it's saying? Jeremy Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First     The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2 Page 2 of 2 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group