The Town Hall Archives Ahh, the nostalgia.     Search   Memberlist   Log in  Chivalry      The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next View previous topic :: View next topic   Do You Practice/Appreciate Chivalry? Yes.  94%  [ 35 ] No.  5%  [ 2 ] Total Votes : 37 Author Message Jared Cute and Cuddly Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 4672 Location: Pennsylvania Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: While I know that the intention there was to emphasize a point, I do wonder whether "forced chivalry" is chivalry at all. If those being "chivalrous" are grumbling about it and are only doing so because someone told them to do so, the behavior isn't all that praiseworthy, is it? Carolita Hawaiian Yoda Joined: 01 Mar 2003 Posts: 1151 Location: In the good ol' South Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Jared wrote: While I know that the intention there was to emphasize a point, I do wonder whether "forced chivalry" is chivalry at all. If those being "chivalrous" are grumbling about it and are only doing so because someone told them to do so, the behavior isn't all that praiseworthy, is it? No, it is not. Which is why you must not force it on to anyone, but rather allow them to develop an appreciation for it in their own time. Unfortunately, that time may be never for some. Ami's Mom: I was pleased to hear your views! Gandalf: Thank you for the clarification. Sounds a lot better, too. Last edited by Carolita on Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:40 pm; edited 1 time in total Coralfish Town Hall Judge Joined: 17 Dec 2002 Posts: 1790 Location: Southern Academia Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Continental Admiral wrote: EDIT: Coralfish, there is nothing wrong with keeping extremely clean. Until, of course, you can't anymore because the bacteria have mutated in such a way that it is impossible to kill them. Believe me Continental Admiral, it is because I wish to stay clean that I stick to non-antibacterial soap. As for "forced chivalry" I think that depends upon age. Parents "force" younger children to do things that they wouldn't do themselves because they simply don't know any better. When they reach an age where they can make these decisions, no, they shouldn't be forced to be courteous, but one would hope that the raising was such that they won't need to be forced at all. Perhaps the term I am looking for is "developing good, early childhood habits." That requires some level of force. :wink: To Ami's mom: Thanks for posting! Its great to have input from all ages. As I get older, I'm also looking for opinions from those who's position I may be in not too many years from now. Anyways, thanks and feel free to join the discussions anytime. Continental Admiral Ornery Member Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 867 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Coralfish wrote: Believe me Continental Admiral, it is because I wish to stay clean that I stick to non-antibacterial soap. There is no way on earth that you're getting me to use non-antibacterial soap. Not even if a germ mutated, grew legs, and ran after me. ;) Coralfish wrote: Perhaps the term I am looking for is "developing good, early childhood habits." That requires some level of force. I believe after being so-called "forced" to be courteous, a child will eventually realize it is something that comes naturally, and realizes that it is, essentially like second-nature to only be "chivalrous." If a child isn't raised to know the difference between wrong and right, it will eventually become what they call a "spoiled" child. Just the same, a child who isn't "forced" (i.e., taught) to know how to be courteous, in the early years, won't respect such things and will be "forced" to do them, and therefore not at all be a true courteous person. What I'm getting at is this: If it forced upon them, in adulthood (to where they do it merely because they must, out of self-guilt or some such), to where they grumble about opening doors, then it isn't something to be grateful about. ;) Forgive the ramblings, I realize they don't make much sense... skygazing Somewhat Aging Member Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 324 Location: in front of my computer Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: I love my school because the guys are so awesome about this. They hold doors and all that stuff :D About the "forcing" thing...I agree...you have to teach a child to do something so it becomes second nature. So when they're young opening doors for girls might be forced, but as they grow older it becomes second nature. And that's when it's respected. Given, there are the "feminazis" who don't like having men help them or whatever...but you guys wouldn't be interested in them anyway, so who cares about their opinion GusDeHaan The TH. Inspector and etc. Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 763 Location: Im so bright You need sunglasses. Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: skygazing wrote: Given, there are the "feminazis" who don't like having men help them or whatever...but you guys wouldn't be interested in them anyway, so who cares about their opinion Whoaaa are you saying that guys only practice chivalry to pick up the ladies ? Cuse, your pretty much wrong there... Londoner Somewhat Aging Member Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 430 Location: London, England, UK Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: GusDeHaan wrote: skygazing wrote: Given, there are the "feminazis" who don't like having men help them or whatever...but you guys wouldn't be interested in them anyway, so who cares about their opinion Whoaaa are you saying that guys only practice chivalry to pick up the ladies ? Cuse, your pretty much wrong there... oh ya? Jared Cute and Cuddly Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 4672 Location: Pennsylvania Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Londoner wrote: oh ya? You have an extremely low opinion of men, don't you? First you say that men don't care about their children and aren't involved in their lives. Now you suggest that any politeness they show has nothing whatsoever to do with them just choosing to be polite. Anything else we should know about men and their evil ways? Londoner Somewhat Aging Member Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 430 Location: London, England, UK Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Jared wrote: Londoner wrote: oh ya? You have an extremely low opinion of men, don't you? Come to think of it I do. Continental Admiral Ornery Member Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 867 Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Londoner wrote: Come to think of it I do. Not all men are chauvinistic pigs. Not all men do polite deeds just to pick up ladies. Some men do things simply to be polite. I don't think it should be considered a "majority" when a few men are just rotten. Just as I don't believe it should be considered a majority when a few women aren't exactly living up to standards or some such. I'm not being harsh here, but, since admitting is the first step to solving a problem, perhaps this should be worked on. Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First     The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next Page 7 of 10 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group