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Jonathan
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 Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have the feeling I'm missing something extremly obvious.
| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | The doubt concept is explained in my above post. As to your question, have you ever heard of "Entertaining Angles unaware?" |
I believe you mean angels appear to us from time to time in human form and we don't know it. Am I right?
| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I don't think God is dealing with us today by way of angels. |
This seems to disagree with what EB said. What I was wondering is do you agree with the 'angels unaware' idea? If you meant they don't deal with us in the Gabriel sense, then yes, I agree.
And again, I might've just missed something, but despite reading your second post twice, I fail to see how that supports your first post.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to figure out where you stand.
-Jonathan |
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Christian Cowgirl
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| Jonathan wrote: | I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to figure out where you stand.
-Jonathan |
No problem.
| Jonathan wrote: | This seems to disagree with what EB said. What I was wondering is do you agree with the 'angels unaware' idea? If you meant they don't deal with us in the Gabriel sense, then yes, I agree.
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The angels unaware comes from: Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
I believe its very important to read the context and or address to see whom the writter is addressing. Amazing as it may sound the book Hebrews was written to the Hebrews. Granted there are truths that go all through the despensations, ex. human government.
Anyway, the first statement meant that I don't believe in angels showing up and "dishing out hevenly telagrams." |
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Disco Dan
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | EB speaks of the spiritual realm, I of the physcial. |
Wrong. I was speaking of the supernatural.
su·per·nat·u·ral
adj.
-Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
-Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
Now, wouldn't you say God using an Angel to come down to the physcial realm for a term and live among us a tad, well, supernatural? 
What I had to say applies to this discussion, so don't just wave it off. I speak also of the physical realm, and if you read my post carefully you'll realize that. |
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Christian Cowgirl
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | What I had to say applies to this discussion, so don't just wave it off. I speak also of the physical realm, and if you read my post carefully you'll realize that. |
I have read it, but I'm not sure I agree fully. Could the miracles you speak of...
| Quote: | | and I have even witnessed a small few in America, and espescially on the mission field. |
just as well be of God as angels? I don't really think that He uses angels like that. Why? Because I don't find anything of that sort in Pauls letters, wouldn't he have told us if God was using angels like that? |
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Jonathan
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to figure out where you stand.
-Jonathan |
No problem.
| Jonathan wrote: | This seems to disagree with what EB said. What I was wondering is do you agree with the 'angels unaware' idea? If you meant they don't deal with us in the Gabriel sense, then yes, I agree.
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The angels unaware comes from: Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
I believe its very important to read the context and or address to see whom the writter is addressing. Amazing as it may sound the book Hebrews was written to the Hebrews. Granted there are truths that go all through the despensations, ex. human government.
Anyway, the first statement meant that I don't believe in angels showing up and "dishing out hevenly telagrams." |
Thank you, that clears things up.
-Jonathan |
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Disco Dan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | What I had to say applies to this discussion, so don't just wave it off. I speak also of the physical realm, and if you read my post carefully you'll realize that. |
I have read it, but I'm not sure I agree fully. Could the miracles you speak of...
| Quote: | | and I have even witnessed a small few in America, and espescially on the mission field. |
just as well be of God as angels? I don't really think that He uses angels like that. Why? Because I don't find anything of that sort in Pauls letters, wouldn't he have told us if God was using angels like that? |
Is Paul to be the standard we set all doctrinal belief on?
Remember the Angel that helped Peter out of prison? That is an example of angels being used. |
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Christian Cowgirl
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | Is Paul to be the standard we set all doctrinal belief on?
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He claims to be our apostle, all thats off topic. Resume.
| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | Remember the Angel that helped Peter out of prison? That is an example of angels being used. |
Ooo, thank you for reminding me of that! I'm not really sure what I believe, gonna ask dad, and read some stuff. |
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Disco Dan
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There's really not much we can discuss now that I think of it, since you and I have different beliefs of who the Bibles applies to. I believe all scripture is for us, exception of some of the OT rules for the Isrealites (kosher, etc). I believe the entire Bible was written for everyone, and there aren't set things that aplly to Jew's and set things that apply to Gentiles.
Paul was writing to the Christian Gentiles. However, there is no difference from Christian Gentiles and Christian Jews, sans race.
But we've already had this discussion before. |
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Jonathan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | Paul was writing to the Christian Gentiles. However, there is no difference from Christian Gentiles and Christian Jews, sans race.
But we've already had this discussion before. |
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crosskritters
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | The doubt concept is explained in my above post. As to your question, have you ever heard of "Entertaining Angles unaware?" |
My understanding of "Angels unaware" is that in that case we never find out they are angels. (until we see Jesus) |
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