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crosskritters Junior Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Confusion
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan wrote: | | I believe whole-heartedly that there are demons in this world, making mischief and decieving people. |
Do you think that demons posess ppl as described in the gospels or just wonder around puting bad thoughts into ppl's heads, creating "accidents" etc.
This is a strech, but do you think that it is possible that some mentally ill ppl are really demon posessed? Obviously this is not the case with all mentally ill ppl, but there is a little girl I know who would without warning or anyone doing anything bad to her would through fits. Also she would randomly hit ppl and then screem like someone had hit her. I have experience with young children and this is not normal behavior.
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Disco Dan Scholarly Artist

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 3723 Location: In the land of Deep but not Profound...
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I definatley believe in angels. My question is not why would God use angles, but rather why not? Sure, God dosen't NEED to use angels, but then again, he didn't NEED to create us, and he didn't NEED to save us by the blood of his son. He could have just let us rot. But our God is a loving God, who works in mysterious ways to help us.
The Supernatural is very real. The problem is, here in America (and Canada too) or any more "modern" place, we humans have come to believe we are so smart we outrule all supernatural. We have scientific and logical explanations for everything. Being very human, we tend to dislike anything we don't understand, or can't explain. Therefore, we ignore it, and in turn, it dissapates.
Consider the "Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis. In one of the letters, a Higher demon writes to a lower demon:
"My dear Wormwood,
I wonder you should ask me whether it is essential to keep the patient in ignorance of your own existence. That question, at least for the present phase of the struggle, has been answered for us by the High Command. Our policy, for the moment, is to conceal ourselves. Of course, this has not always been so. We are really faced with a cruel dilemma. When the humans disbelieve in our existence we lose all the pleasing results of direct terrorism, and we make no magicians. On the other hand, when they believe in us, we cannot make them materialists and skeptics....
I do not think you will have much difficulty in keeping the patient in the dark. The fact that "devils" are predominantly comic figures in the modern imagination will help you. If any faint suspicion of your existence begins to arise in his mind, suggest to him a picture of something in red tights, and persuade him that since he cannot believe in that (it is an old textbook method of confusing them), he therefore cannot believe in you."
That is why we American's do not see much supernatural activity, because we rule it out with the intellgence we "think" we possess. But there have been modern day miracles recorded, and I have even witnessed a small few in America, and espescially on the mission field.
The Supernatural is very alive and present, and is a part of life we should never rule out. In places like India, their culture revolves around the supernatural, so it is normal for God and Satan alike to work in that way over there. Our lack of Supernatural activity only contributes to our lack of belief, and for any who would say that the Lord does not work in the for of miracles and angels these days, I would ask them to either give me "valid" evidence of that, or to reixamin thier heart and search the scriptures and the Lord for an answer to what is so plainly set before thier eyes day after day.
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Amadeo Senior Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 1207
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Malachi Biblical? Realistic? |
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| crosskritters wrote: | | Do you think that angels accually come to earth in modern times? |
Of course. God sends them to watch over us and we may entertain them unawares.
| crosskritters wrote: | | Do you think that they are recognized? |
I believe many times they are invisible but sometimes they appear as normal people and sometimes in their normal angelic appearance.
| crosskritters wrote: | | Do you think that they are doubted? |
Sometimes, yes. Not everyone believed Jesus either.
| crosskritters wrote: | | Do you think God ever "brainwashes" us (like what happens in part 3 )? |
We would not remember if we were brainwashed, right? But I do understand your point. The episode seems strange because Malachi just walks around telling everyone that he is an angel and expects people to believe him for no apparently good reason. It is not my place to argue with the writers about this, though. I can hardly claim to be an expert in such matters nor do I not find them Biblically wrong. |
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crosskritters Junior Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Confusion
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | My question is not why would God use angles, but rather why not? |
I don't think there is any reason for him not to send angels, but I don't think it makes sense that he would send someone like Malichi, who looks like a normal person and claims to be an angel. It's pritty clear from scripture that (at least in Bible times) God sent angels with bright lights and loud voices etc., who were clearly angels, and people who were unannouced angels who no one ever knew were angels, but is there anything to suggest that he sends angels that claim to be angels and are doubted to be so
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Disco Dan Scholarly Artist

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 3723 Location: In the land of Deep but not Profound...
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The doubt concept is explained in my above post. As to your question, have you ever heard of "Entertaining Angles unaware?" |
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Christian Cowgirl Doesn't Post Enough to Get a Cool Status

Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 594
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan wrote: | | Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I don't think God is dealing with us today by way of angels. |
*gets the feeling this will be moved to Impolite Company*
And why not? You can't deny that there is a very real spiritual battle going on that, for the vast majority of us, is invisible (thankfully). I believe whole-heartedly that there are demons in this world, making mischief and decieving people. So is God just going to feed us to them? No. Demons are Satan's warriors, and angels are God's, the counter force for the deception and evil. I really am interested in why you think this, but it is inconceivable for me that they aren't here.
-Jonathan | I'm not saying that angels arn't involved in a Spiritual battle, they are.
1 Corinthians 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. I believe angels are watching us. Amazed at Gods love, mercy, righteousness, and grace. There isn't a salvation plan for angels, so to see something like that for us astounds them. Our witness as christians goes beyond humans viewing but to the angels as well: Ephesians 3:9-10 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, |
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Jonathan Dungeon Master

Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 2254 Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I must've misunderstood your first post. What did you mean by it?
-Jonathan |
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Christian Cowgirl Doesn't Post Enough to Get a Cool Status

Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 594
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Please read my second post,  |
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Disco Dan Scholarly Artist

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 3723 Location: In the land of Deep but not Profound...
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| *Or you COULD read EB's post as well.* -_-; |
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Christian Cowgirl Doesn't Post Enough to Get a Cool Status

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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| EB speaks of the spiritual realm, I of the physcial. |
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