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Christian Cowgirl
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 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared wrote: | | In Revelation 20:4, John writes, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Again, it is indisputable that people are being saved during the tribulation, for if not, from whence did these people come? |
I didn't mean to say NO one will be saved, infact there will be those who believe in Christ.
| Jared wrote: | | ChristianCowgirl, I'm forced to disagree entirely with your take on this, which is entirely new to me. While it is true that there may be some gap between the rapture and the start of the seven years of tribulation, scripture provides us no reason whatsoever to believe that it will be space enough for an entire generation to perish. Such speculation is not even close to being warranted by the text, since the scripture says nothing about the "first" generation not being given a second chance to repent. (Again, there are different takes on II Thes 2, but there is no reason to believe that this should be one of them.) |
But it seems to me that we don't get a second chance in life to believe.
| Jared wrote: | | Concerning the second question raised, regarding whether or not children will be raptured up, I believe they would have to be. The doctrine of an age of accountability is scriptural (cf. David's belief that he will see his son again and Isaiah's statement that children are not born with their eyes open to the understanding of good and evil sufficient to judgment), and it seems only logical -- though I admit not definite -- those under such an age would, therefore, be raptured. I do not see any support for the idea that the age is standardized, let alone set at twelve, though; I imagine that if the Left Behind books do this, it is out of literary convenience, not doctrine. |
Romans 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. |
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Jonathan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Left Behind Series Innacurate |
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I didn't mean to say NO one will be saved, infact there will be those who believe in Christ. |
Actually, you sorta did:
| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I think you mean after all the christians are raptured the unbelievers living won't have a second chance for salvation. |
-Jonathan |
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Christian Cowgirl
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Left Behind Series Innacurate |
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| Jonathan wrote: | | Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I didn't mean to say NO one will be saved, infact there will be those who believe in Christ. |
Actually, you sorta did:
| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I think you mean after all the christians are raptured the unbelievers living won't have a second chance for salvation. |
-Jonathan |
Right, thats where the gap comes in... The second generation will have the chance for salvation. |
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Jared
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Left Behind Series Innacurate |
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | Right, thats where the gap comes in... The second generation will have the chance for salvation. |
But from whence does this end times gap theory originate? I've never even heard it, let alone seen scriptural support for it. |
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GusDeHaan
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| Jonathan wrote: | If you read the two verses before that you will see that it is writing about 'the lawless one' (NIV). Actually, the whole chapter is about the AntiChrist. The rapture is not mentioned there. I believe that the only thing that could prevent a person from being saved is if they take the mark of the beast and worship him (Rev 13)
-Jonathan |
Or maybe, just maybe, if God never grants them the Holy Spirit... |
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Jonathan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Left Behind Series Innacurate |
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I didn't mean to say NO one will be saved, infact there will be those who believe in Christ. |
Actually, you sorta did:
| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | I think you mean after all the christians are raptured the unbelievers living won't have a second chance for salvation. |
-Jonathan |
Right, thats where the gap comes in... The second generation will have the chance for salvation. |
Assuming your theory is correct there is no Scriptural backbone to the statement that the whole first generation, those 'left behind' can't come to Christ.
I also see no Scriptural evidence that a whole generation will pass between the Rapture and the Tribulation.
-Jonathan |
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Disco Dan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| If those who are not raptured cannot be saved, where to you expect to find the One Hundred and Forty Four thousand? |
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Christian Cowgirl
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | If those who are not raptured cannot be saved, where to you expect to find the One Hundred and Forty Four thousand? |
Second generation! |
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Jared
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Christian Cowgirl wrote: | | Second generation! |
I still await even one iota of scriptural support for this theory. |
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Disco Dan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| As do I. |
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