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Itaque
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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Affirmative Action |
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Affirmative action is a contentious issue, even within the Church. Called "reverse discrimination" by some, it is often derided as undermining equality due to prior judgment based on gender or race. However, others say a.a. is a legitimate way to rectify past wrongs or help integrate society.
What do y'all think?
Dictionary.com definition: A policy or a program that seeks to redress past discrimination through active measures to ensure equal opportunity, as in education and employment |
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Jonathan
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It was a good idea I think when it was implemented, but not only has it outlived itself, but become part of the problem.
It's my firm belief that only when society removes all ideas that there is a difference between black and white skined people will things be solved. Affirmitive action backs up this idea that their is a difference.
Also, it treats some people differently based on skin color. For example, two kids I graduated with are attending a very expensive private school in St. Paul. One is white, the other aisian. The white boy got a higher ACT score and GPS. However, b/c of AA the aisian got nearly twice as much financial aid from the school. Makes sense? Or course not.
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GusDeHaan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan wrote: |
It's my firm belief that only when society removes all ideas that there is a difference between black and white skined people will things be solved. Affirmitive action backs up this idea that their is a difference.
-Jonathan |
How so ? all you have done is avoided the various differences that set us apart.. |
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Amadeo
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| GusDeHaan wrote: | | How so ? all you have done is avoided the various differences that set us apart.. |
Not so. Instead you have emphasized them by giving people preference based on race and not ability. |
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Disco Dan
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| Amadeo wrote: | | GusDeHaan wrote: | | How so ? all you have done is avoided the various differences that set us apart.. |
Not so. Instead you have emphasized them by giving people preference based on race and not ability. |
Exactly. Rather, we should treat everyone as equals, and perhpas give help to those who need it based on "need", not racial status. That just goes to make them feel even more singled out. |
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Jonathan
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| Eugene Blackgaard wrote: | | Amadeo wrote: | | GusDeHaan wrote: | | How so ? all you have done is avoided the various differences that set us apart.. |
Not so. Instead you have emphasized them by giving people preference based on race and not ability. |
Exactly. Rather, we should treat everyone as equals, and perhpas give help to those who need it based on "need", not racial status. That just goes to make them feel even more singled out. |
Exactly. Which is basically what I said Gus:
| Jonathan wrote: | | It's my firm belief that only when society removes all ideas that there is a difference between black and white skined people will things be solved. Affirmitive action backs up this idea that their is a difference. |
-Jonathan |
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GusDeHaan
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| No it isn't , you are suggesting that we melt every one together as equals, I am saying that we aren't equal, and you can't avoid the differences between us. |
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Jonathan
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And I agree with that. What my problem is is that people are still insisting that skin color makes a difference, which is doesn't.
-Jonathan |
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GusDeHaan
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| Jonathan wrote: | And I agree with that. What my problem is is that people are still insisting that skin color makes a difference, which is doesn't.
-Jonathan |
Sure skin colour makes a difference, Not in the "ultimate sense" but as far as today is concerned.. it does. Should a native american be given more money [to attend school] based soley on the fact that his ancestors were mistreated, OF COURSE NOT, if the abuse can be linked to his problems directly, this might be another thing, but he should be given money based on his financial need.. This of course is what you are advocating.
However I am saying further, that we should not make equality into something that it isn't , and that in the equalness before , law / state / culture/ society etc. should not entail that we forget exactly who we were, how we got to where we are, and how it should shape where we are going.. |
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