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| Both Happen at Once, They go hand in hand |
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Disco Dan
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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: Which comes 1st? |
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I overheard two colleauges debating this, and was wondering what your takes on it are. 
(I of course have my own opinion, but would like to hear yours first.)
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Mandy Straussberg
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I would have to go with belief slightly before repentance simply because without belief, why bother with repentance? If you don't believe there's a God at all (nonetheless that Jesus is our savior), then why repent at all? What's the point? It's just silliness.
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Jonathan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Belief, genuince belief in Jesus as the Son of God (along with everything he said and did) needs to come first. But simply believing doesn't equal salvation. To be saved you must repent and put your trust in Him.
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Monday
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mandy Straussberg wrote: | I would have to go with belief slightly before repentance simply because without belief, why bother with repentance? If you don't believe there's a God at all (nonetheless that Jesus is our savior), then why repent at all? What's the point? It's just silliness.
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I would tend to agree with that. You beleive, and then of course repentance, you cannot be saved without either. |
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Carolita
Hawaiian Yoda
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Location: In the good ol' South
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| You have to believe that there is a God who is perfect. And you have to believe that you have sinned against Him. You have to believe he sent His son to take away your sins. Then comes repentance. |
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happysmiler
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I would agree that belief comes first. As has been said, there's no point in repenting if you don't believe in God. |
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Screech
The Fonz
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| happysmiler wrote: | | I would agree that belief comes first. As has been said, there's no point in repenting if you don't believe in God. |
Agweed. |
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Disco Dan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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*Patiently waits to hear what Amadeo and Jared think.* 
As for the rest of you, good posts! |
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Amadeo
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Belief is necessary, but cannot stand alone.
You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
James 2:19 |
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Disco Dan
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Agreed. What say you of repentance? Is it also necessary? I think so.
The Repent, in "Believe and Repent" does not mean we must repent after we commit every sin, or we are damned. The Repent required for Salvation literly means the act of us willingly handing our lives over to God, and turning from a lifestyle of unrestricted sin.
That's what I believe, at least. Anyone agree? Disagree? |
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