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| Do you have a problem with homosexuals and gays? |
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jessicado
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| Broadcast wrote: | | jessicado wrote: |
I actually know quite a few gay guys, in fact one of my best friends for a while was a gay man. I generally tend to get along better with guys than girls, but with most of my guy friends there is always at least a small bit of tension abot being the opposite sex. With him, there never was that issue so it was really nice. He was always doing sweet things and was very protective of me. Plus he was an awesome dresser and was always up on fashion and was giving me tips.
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But are you encouraging it? 
One thing I worry about your post, Jessicado, is that your taking it just as any other sin. I mean, sure, sin is bad...but we've made it so that sin isn't as bad as it used to be.
But some sins can be as equal as another sin, but simply not hold as much weight.
We've already made a person sleeping around with other guys socially acceptable. It wasn't socially acceptable back in the thirties...but we've made it that way. For gays and lesbiens, were heading in that same direction...some of us are letting it past. And in a few years, it'll be socially acceptable to christians and non-christians.
Sure, be nice to them...pray for them. But to hang around them? I don't know if you should (seriously, I truly don't know). Because on the one hand, "Bad Company corrupts good Morals". You'll simply get used to gays and lesbiens, so that when the time comes that one wishes to teach a Sunday School class, you'll say; 'Okay'. On the other hand, and it's probably what your doing, just be a good friend and a good example as well.
Should they let influence your clothing habits, and social life? I don't think they should. I think at some point, you need to draw a line. If you don't, then how will they ever get that there doing something wrong? Have you told them it's wrong? Do they know where you stand? How can you be friends with someone, and yet not tell them that you feel uncomfertable about A BIG part of what they're doing?
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I'm not advocating homosexuality. I am saying that gay people are PEOPLE TOO! And I don't think we should treat them any different than other sinners. Because, yes, in my eyes, homosexuality is a sin and I don't think it carries more credence over another sin. I personally try to witness to everyone around me, and try to accept everyone, even with their faults. I don't think it is my place to judge--that is God's place. While I might not think many people's actions are appropriate, how can I possibly witness to people if I don't even associate with them?
I can personally testify that if I feel like I am being judged, there is no way I am going to listen to what the person who is judging me has to say. I think the same thing goes for a homosexual, a thief or a drug addict. If you condemn them, they are not going to come to you for help. If you show them the happiness that faith has brought into your life and are accepting of them despite their sins, it can make a huge difference.
Before I lost contact with my friend, he broke down and started crying and I talked to him about it. He actually started coming to church with me. It was awesome--I was so happy. The only problem was that late on he developed a crush on me, and since I wasn't interested it created a tension on our relationship and we stopped hanging out.
LMHO!!!!! I don't think it makes a bit of diference who gives me fashion advice as long as it's good!  When you go into a store and ask a clerk his opinion on a TV--does it matter what sins the clerk is guilty of? Brian being gay and having good fashion sense are completely unrelated (well, except for stereotypical-gay-men-dress-well-thing), but what I mean is the fact that he was gay didn't change the fact that he was my friend, and I would listen to anyone elses advice on clothes if they had good taste.
Brian affected my social life as he was great at picking out creeps and would prescreen guys who were interested in me. He was like my big brother. Again, something that the fact that he was gay really had nothing to do with. While he was a sinner, I let him know my feelings on the subject but that did not affect the fact that he was still a kind, generous, honest, fun guy. It created a bit of a strain on our relationship, but not nearly as much of one as the strain that was created when he liked me. I think most relationships involve people with different views and that is something that you have to deal with. I was honest about my opinion, but I respected Brian and as a result he respected me and by my actions was interested in my faith and came to me to talk about it.
I have had some other similiar experiences and I feel like I have been a good witness. Yes, I am sure I am much more comfortable around gay people than many other Christian's out there. However, I don't think it is my place to judge and discriminate. Especially since this only alienates homosexuals from Christianity. Acknowledging their sin but accepting them as a person will get much farther than deeming them as a sinner and not associating with them. They are people too. We have all sinned and been forgiven. Is it more acceptable to associate a girl who lives with her boyfriend than a gay man? Is it better to be friends with a one over the other? They are both sinners, and one sin is not worse than the other and it is not our place to decide who to judge more. |
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The Top Crusader
Job is to annoy Bennett Charles
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I am not gay. :(
(only clarifying this due to the name in above post, as well as the picture in the sig of above user  ) |
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Jonathan
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Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jessicado wrote: | | LMHO!!!!! I don't think it makes a bit of diference who gives me fashion advice as long as it's good! When you go into a store and ask a clerk his opinion on a TV--does it matter what sins the clerk is guilty of? Brian being gay and having good fashion sense are completely unrelated (well, except for stereotypical-gay-men-dress-well-thing), but what I mean is the fact that he was gay didn't change the fact that he was my friend, and I would listen to anyone elses advice on clothes if they had good taste. |
One thing that bugs me is how society is adamantly insisting that homosexual men have the best fashion sense and are the best dressed. Personally, most of the fads right now bug me for a good many reasons (one being that they are fads, yes it makes sense if I explained it).
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Tianlet
New Citizen
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Indiana
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared wrote: | | If, however, it makes you a little less likely to think of [Lincoln] as one of the greatest men in our nation's history, perhaps that's for the better, as he comes up wanting in a variety of areas... |
*grins*
| Amadeo wrote: | | Catspaw wrote: | Catspaw wrote:
I've heard that the reason that the men of the city wanted to have sex with the visitors had more to do with exhibiting power and humiliating the two men than any erotic desire. I totally agree that it's sickening and revolting to think about, but the intention behind the actions of the men of the town may not have been connected directly to homosexual tendencies. |
That is revisionist history—moving closer to the explanation that Sodom was burned because its residents were inhospitable. |
Amen and amen.
| Boa wrote: | | You make some great points Gandalf. I always have to remind myself that a homosexual isn't anymore sinful than the rest of the unsaved world. Hate the sin and love the sinner. It's sad that the rest of the world looks at "right wingers" as homophobes and homo haters. I try to explain to liberals that I don't hate gays I just don't agree with their lifestyle. I also don't agree with a man and woman shacking up together out of wedlock. |
Yes, but they are more disgusting--or their sin is. I once worked for a (Christian) woman who had a gay, male friend, and she said she liked being around him because he was a "non-predator." Ok--who says he is? (Besides the obvious answer that she did). Now he is doubly so, he threatens (so to speak) women, and now men as well. I also feel very uncomfortable in the presence of lesbians; they make me feel threatened.
I recently attended a rally to support an ammendment to the Indiana state constitution that would ban gay marriage and support normal, Biblical marriage. There were gays there to protest and they were the most confrontational people I have ever met. They weren't just shouting things, they were physically pushing into people and trying to disrupt things. One man even stood directly in front of the platform within five feet of the speaker and shouted things at him. The poor representative had to try to ignore him while at the same time trying to speak over him.
This is silly. These people are mean and aggressive, and they should not exist. Sorry if I sound cruel, but I saw it firsthand just recently and the memory of a couple of queers hitting on one of my friends is still fresh.
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GusDeHaan
The TH. Inspector and etc.
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Location: Im so bright You need sunglasses.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Tianlet wrote: |
This is silly. These people are mean and aggressive, and they should not exist. Sorry if I sound cruel, but I saw it firsthand just recently and the memory of a couple of queers hitting on one of my friends is still fresh.
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I can cite many examples where Christians have killed people for wrong reasons that is far worse than what homosexuals do... and furthermore Mostly you would have to admit all they do is make a fool of themselves. Perhaps you should have told them of unconditional love found only in Christ... or just walked away and dismissed the actions... You are after all going against something that is fundemental to these people - much like our own views on marriage , as found in scripture. |
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*daniel
I like pudding.
Joined: 22 Nov 2002
Posts: 594
Location: Toronto.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| GusDeHaan wrote: | | Tianlet wrote: | | This is silly. These people are mean and aggressive, and they should not exist. Sorry if I sound cruel, but I saw it firsthand just recently and the memory of a couple of queers hitting on one of my friends is still fresh. |
You are after all going against something that is fundemental to these people - much like our own views on marriage , as found in scripture. |
Gus is right - and this is something that needs to be handled with a great deal of grace. We have deep divides, or at least we should, Christians and practicing homosexuals. Both of us are on opposite sides of a spectrum, and both of us have profound intellectual and moral connections to the issue.
In fact, I think it's rather pointless past just sharing the gospel with a gay person you don't know. If you have a friendly relationship with them, by all means, the truth of their lifestyle is something that should come up. But always in love, and always in view of the grace that has been extended to you, and the grace and power that is available to them in salvation.
Things like holding up signs that read "fags go to hell" at a prominant gay man's funeral grieve me deeply, because though that's the truth, it's not the truth presented as Paul would put it, persuading. Or in love. Or really displaying any of the attributes that God has intended for us or commanded from us.
Not to mention pointless because the man's already dead. |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
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Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| *daniel wrote: | | Things like holding up signs that read "fags go to hell"... |
Speaking of our friend Rev. Phelps (and I assume that's who you were thinking of) he and his family are creeps. His daughter was on Talk the Walk (a Christian talk radio show I've mentioned before) and she and the host were discussing witnessing (something he finds of high importance) and the reality of hell. At some point he got frusturated with her and asked "Doesn't it bother you that these people are going to hell if they don't get saved?" and her answer "Not one bit. Let em burn." Phelps and his signs do not carry the Christian message.
And then there's the personal run-ins he has had with my family, but I won't go into that.
My point is I agree with Xhan, that type of behavior is despicable. As much as I disagree and fight the homosexual agenda, those signs disturb me even more, as they drive people away from Christianity.
-Jonathan |
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dawningoftime
Child's Portion Diet Mini Cheeseburger
Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| One thing that really irks the gay community, though, is that while Christians are screaming bloody murder over this whole gay marriage issue they tend to turn a blind eye when it comes to divorce within the Church. Irwin Lutzer has even pointed this out in one of his books. The Bible says divorce is wrong, too. |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
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Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Jerry Falwell answered the question of why that's the biggest issue right now, and he said something to the effect of "While divorce and other issues also plague the family, this is the only one attempting to radically redefine it this quickly".
-Jonathan |
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jessicado
It'll Take Me Years to Get to 2000 Posts
Joined: 06 Sep 2003
Posts: 722
Location: Oregon........I waaaaanna know-have you ever seeeeeeeeen the rain?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| The Top Crusader wrote: | I am not gay. :(
(only clarifying this due to the name in above post, as well as the picture in the sig of above user ) |
Uh yeah, different Brian!!! |
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