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| Do you have a problem with homosexuals and gays? |
| Yes, it's wrong. |
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| No, if other people choose to live that life style, that's thier business. |
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Amadeo
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| Catspaw wrote: | | I've heard that the reason that the men of the city wanted to have sex with the visitors had more to do with exhibiting power and humiliating the two men than any erotic desire. I totally agree that it's sickening and revolting to think about, but the intention behind the actions of the men of the town may not have been connected directly to homosexual tendencies. |
That is revisionist history—moving closer to the explanation that Sodom was burned because its residents were inhospitable.
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Jude 7 |
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Bennett Charles
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared wrote: | | MelkaAlyson wrote: | | I realy dont know why you are talking about it. They are dead. Why is it that everyne in this culture has to make everyone else a Homosexual or someone who had homosexual tendencys? it is realy sick. Laura Ingals Wilder and her sisters had to use one bed when they were little, does that make them gay? NO! so what is with these people making up stories about eveyone being gay? |
Well, I was not the one who brought it up initially, and I would agree that every cause tries to find some famous and respected historical figure as an icon for their movement, and this is no different. However, whatever the motives of the book, history is history, and while no, I would not be at all interested in reading a book about the subject, not being interested in reading extensively about the infidelities and moral wrongs that various people have committed. No, I wouldn't want to read a whole book about Lincoln's ... preference.
That said, if it's true, then yes, it probably ought to be known and be at least mentioned in history. Facts are facts, and just because we don't like them doesn't change that.
I suppose some could still argue that the inforrmation presented is not true, but the sharing a bed meaning nothing point is a straw man argument at best. Reams of information exist to support the claim, from letters Lincoln wrote to some of his recorded actions. He pulled strings to keep from being deployed one young officer with whom he spent a great deal of time, and was known to invite a male member of his personal guard to sleep in the presidential suite with him when his wife was away. And as time passed, he continued to come up with more and more reasons to send his wife elsewhere.
There are a lot of reasons to believe the allegations, some of which I'd rather not go into. But here's the crux of the matter: Lincoln's actions don't have any bearing on the matter of whether or not homosexuality is acceptable (it clearly is not). |
This isn't being directed necessecarily to the people I quoted, however, in my opinion, the reason people's past is having a large potion of the 'gay' movement is understandable. They wish to feel they played great parts in history. They wish to show they were great honourable people. They wish to show that this isn't recent...
And it's not. But it's very big now. This isn't to say that gays can't be great people (in earthly terms)...not at all. But they're hoping by slipping into textbook's weither Thomas Jefferson, or Mozart, or whoever were gay, then it'll somewhat give a certain amount of publicity for them. Something strikes me as odd. If they wish to be accepted as 'regular' people, then why do something such as specifically catogarising someone as gay? |
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Amadeo
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| Bennett Charles wrote: | | Something strikes me as odd. If they wish to be accepted as 'regular' people, then why do something such as specifically catogarising someone as gay? |
Therein lies the paradox. Why do people insist on affirmative action while also insisting that we do not discriminate people by their skin color? |
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Arwen
Really Likes Personalized Ranks
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 1193
Location: The Middle of Nowhere
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Jonathan wrote: | | I agree with what Arwen said, but on the other hand I cannot tolerate the homosexual movement that is seeping into schools, politics, law, and the Church. Does this mean I'll treat such people badly? No. But it does mean I'll fight that movement. |
It's the same for me, I guess I failed to mention that. Yes, do everything to stop the sin, but still show the love of God to the sinner. Their souls are as important to God as ours.
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That being said, God does view sins at various levels.
| Arwen wrote: | | Homosexuality is no more a sin than having sex outside of marriage. |
I would have to question that. Heterosexual relations outside of marriage (i.e., neither party is married) is fornication; the sin we are discussing here is sodomy. The second half of Romans 1 discusses this subject, including this:
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1:26, 27
It says they abandoned the "natural function" which is heterosexual relations. In the Old Testament, sodomites and adulterers were to be killed, fornicators were to marry. |
Sure, they had different punishments on EARTH, but what about if they die without Jesus. They're both going to burn. It's not going to make much of a difference that this girl had sex outside of marriage, while THAT guy had sex with another guy. Sin is sin. |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 2254
Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sin is sin only if we are looking at it from eternity. However I find it more serious if a government endorses homosexuality (or gay marriage) then if they just tell a lie.
-Jonathan |
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Ferder-
Brickfilm Maker Extraordinaire
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Posts: 1730
Location: BC, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Speaking of which have you guys heard of the whole "Media attackes Dobson for eledgedly attacking Spongebob Squarepants for aledgedly promoting homosexuality" thing that's going on. There's some info over at the FOTF website. |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 2254
Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, he's come under some heavy fire for that.
-Jonathan |
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Catspaw
AIO Fan Fiction Writer
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
Posts: 804
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The media is attacking Dr. Dobson for stuff he didn't actually say because of their obviously slanted agendas, not because of something that he really did say. Like Ferder said, you can read the article about it at http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0035309.cfm. |
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Disco Dan
Scholarly Artist
Joined: 27 Dec 2003
Posts: 3723
Location: In the land of Deep but not Profound...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Glad that's been cleared up, I heard the news reports and I was a bit confused...  |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 2254
Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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In my last post tonight, I commented on how little I think of the media. Ironic that I should read this next.
And I agree with the Dr. on this one.
-Jonathan |
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