The Town Hall Archives Ahh, the nostalgia.     Search   Memberlist   Log in  Homosexuals and gays; what are you thoughts and feelings?      The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next View previous topic :: View next topic   Do you have a problem with homosexuals and gays? Yes, it's wrong.  92%  [ 49 ] No, if other people choose to live that life style, that's thier business.  7%  [ 4 ] Total Votes : 53 Author Message Amadeo Senior Member Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 1207 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Just to ward off any accusations, I totally disagree with movements that seek to make sodomites themselves feel hated. They are sinners like the rest of us and in need of God's grace just like we are. We are to treat all men well, and not single out sodomites as the only sinners. That being said, God does view sins at various levels. Arwen wrote: Homosexuality is no more a sin than having sex outside of marriage. I would have to question that. Heterosexual relations outside of marriage (i.e., neither party is married) is fornication; the sin we are discussing here is sodomy. The second half of Romans 1 discusses this subject, including this: For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Romans 1:26, 27 It says they abandoned the "natural function" which is heterosexual relations. In the Old Testament, sodomites and adulterers were to be killed, fornicators were to marry. Melka Cursor Always on Submit Button Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 819 Location: In the Grip of Grace Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: I belive that homosexuality is a sin. I also hate how it is such an issue in poitics and it is in schools and such. even in my college campus they have a group for the gays and not for the christians ! (they will soon !) Yet I feel no hatred toward them. God loves them just as much as he loves me. he is saddend by our sins and hopes that we see how far we have gone from him and come back! Am I right? or am i right? happysmiler Llama Lover Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2221 Location: Over the ocean... Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: I agree that homosexuality is a horrible sin. Just the other day I read in my devotions about Sodom and Gomorrah, and how when the angels came to visit Lot, the men of Sodom wanted to sleep with them. It really made me sick to my stomach to even think about that! It's just so terrible that they would even think about saying such a thing! Ugh! Jonathan Dungeon Master Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 2254 Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: happysmiler wrote: I agree that homosexuality is a horrible sin. Just the other day I read in my devotions about Sodom and Gomorrah, and how when the angels came to visit Lot, the men of Sodom wanted to sleep with them. It really made me sick to my stomach to even think about that! It's just so terrible that they would even think about saying such a thing! Ugh! And the two cities were destroyed for it. -Jonathan Catspaw AIO Fan Fiction Writer Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 804 Location: Canada Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: I've heard that the reason that the men of the city wanted to have sex with the visitors had more to do with exhibiting power and humiliating the two men than any erotic desire. I totally agree that it's sickening and revolting to think about, but the intention behind the actions of the men of the town may not have been connected directly to homosexual tendencies. Jonathan Dungeon Master Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 2254 Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: But it is still wrong. -Jonathan james m Seasoned Veteran Member Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 536 Location: South Carolina Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: I am not sure about Abe Lincoln, but Dick Cheney's daughter Mary is a lesbian. I have heard Lincoln became a Christian while living in the White House. I am not sure if its true, or who in school told me that. happysmiler Llama Lover Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2221 Location: Over the ocean... Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:50 am    Post subject: Jonathan wrote: But it is still wrong. -Jonathan My point exactly. Melka Cursor Always on Submit Button Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 819 Location: In the Grip of Grace Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Jared wrote: Bennett Charles wrote: To add to it, I don't know how many people have seen the CNN story about 'Abraham Lincholn being a homosexual'. Personnaly, I felt that completely upsetting and raunchy. The man was a christian, and just because he spent two years sharing a bed with a man means nothing, and especially in those days. Sharing beds was a common thing because they were expensive back then. Their was a book written too, and it has the most unthinkable arguments. It just makes my blood boil. The argument you mention, regarding Lincoln and Speed sharing a bed, is probably one of the weakest made by the author in question. However, as much as one dislikes to say it, I personally think that the book's premise is probably true. Pace your comments, there's actually a lot of documentation to support the argument. Whether or not a book ought to be written on the subject is a matter of dispute, I suppose, but the author, though accused by many of stretching some facts farther than he ought to make his case more compelling, is most likely correct in his basic assumptions and is hardly the first to make them. If the claims are true, that doesn't make Lincoln's contributions to our nation less important. If, however, it makes you a little less likely to think of him as one of the greatest men in our nation's history, perhaps that's for the better, as he comes up wanting in a variety of areas. As for the assertion that he was a Christian, we do not know that. He believed, apparently, in the existence of God, but had a very mystical, ever-changing belief. For most of his life, he was an agnostic. Whether he became Christian or deist after that may never be fully resolved. At least, not this side of glory. I realy dont know why you are talking about it. They are dead. Why is it that everyne in this culture has to make everyone else a Homosexual or someone who had homosexual tendencys? it is realy sick. Laura Ingals Wilder and her sisters had to use one bed when they were little, does that make them gay? NO! so what is with these people making up stories about eveyone being gay? Jared Cute and Cuddly Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 4672 Location: Pennsylvania Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: MelkaAlyson wrote: I realy dont know why you are talking about it. They are dead. Why is it that everyne in this culture has to make everyone else a Homosexual or someone who had homosexual tendencys? it is realy sick. Laura Ingals Wilder and her sisters had to use one bed when they were little, does that make them gay? NO! so what is with these people making up stories about eveyone being gay? Well, I was not the one who brought it up initially, and I would agree that every cause tries to find some famous and respected historical figure as an icon for their movement, and this is no different. However, whatever the motives of the book, history is history, and while no, I would not be at all interested in reading a book about the subject, not being interested in reading extensively about the infidelities and moral wrongs that various people have committed. No, I wouldn't want to read a whole book about Lincoln's ... preference. That said, if it's true, then yes, it probably ought to be known and be at least mentioned in history. Facts are facts, and just because we don't like them doesn't change that. I suppose some could still argue that the inforrmation presented is not true, but the sharing a bed meaning nothing point is a straw man argument at best. Reams of information exist to support the claim, from letters Lincoln wrote to some of his recorded actions. He pulled strings to keep from being deployed one young officer with whom he spent a great deal of time, and was known to invite a male member of his personal guard to sleep in the presidential suite with him when his wife was away. And as time passed, he continued to come up with more and more reasons to send his wife elsewhere. There are a lot of reasons to believe the allegations, some of which I'd rather not go into. But here's the crux of the matter: Lincoln's actions don't have any bearing on the matter of whether or not homosexuality is acceptable (it clearly is not). Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First     The Town Hall Forum Index -> Impolite Company All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next Page 2 of 7 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group