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Coralfish
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Location: Southern Academia
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 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Jared wrote: | As long as states can choose to define marriage without federal intervention, those people are probably right. If, however, the Supreme Court would decide at some point that these powers are not granted under Amendment X either by finding the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional or ruling that the amendments passed in the states are invalid, then I believe popular support for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution would begin to grow.
As long as the questionable Defense of Marriage Act is permitted to stand (something probably in the best interests of the courts, which don't seem eager to take on the issue, the politicians, who don't want to have to take a stand on a constitutional amendment and the people, who want to keep the status quo), it will be hard for the arduous process of passing and ratifying a Constitutional Amendment to go forward. |
Indeed. As it is, the DOMA laws are being called into question, which is something that defies the original intent. Not that they were ever intended to be set in stone, mind you, but nevertheless, they did exist as a check and balance.
As far as my personal opinions are concerned in this, I'd say that this battle is one that will stay at the state level for some time. The activist groups know they have a chance there, and bringing this to the federal level only means an ultimatum (argue a reason NOT to ammend, or else). It would seem to me that they'd rather not see that happen. Yes, the DOMA will come into question, as its not a constitutional ammendment, and its certainly not infallible. But I don't believe that the panic that is being associated with the possibility of a constitutional ammendment is entirely justified.
But then again, I'm merely reiterating what has already been more or less stated. Somwhat like a small dog yapping at the heels of a mastiff. :wink:
And since this is a prayer request, I shall add my prayers that this issue is resolved in such a way that Christian standards and morals are upheld. |
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Jonathan
Dungeon Master
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 2254
Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject: Update |
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The college newspaper came out today, providing me with more info on this walkout. It's supposed to take place at a quarter after each hour (fifteen minutes after most classes start). The other bad thing is that the TPS (ten percent society, unds homosexual organization) has spread this idea to other schools; NDSU Fargo, MSU Moorehead, Concordia Moorehead, and Valley City State University. And the paper is also endoresing it, calling it 'a noble example of what student activisim can and should aim to accomplish'.
The only good thing is that while their are faculty that empasize, they won't allow this to affect their teaching. One teacher said something to the affect of 'it won't affect my teaching. I'm sympathetic, but if I have a quiz that day, the kids'll have to deal with it.' Which is good b/c we're here to go to class, not cause trouble.
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Neo3DGfx
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I think the only thing you we can dow is pray that enough Christians go to the voting booth and do what is right. The others are a minority anyway.
(Please don't take that last statment the wrong way.) |
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Jared
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Joined: 23 Nov 2002
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Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Neo3DGfx wrote: | | I think the only thing you we can dow is pray that enough Christians go to the voting booth and do what is right. |
Unfortunately, many won't bother, and many more will vote against candidates that would seem to be the most aligned with Christian values.
So by all means pray, and do so fervently. And then, on Election Day, drag some apathetic (but conservative-leaning!) Christians to the polling place, would you?  |
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Amadeo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Although the vote in all eleven states is important, your prayers should be most focused on the issue in Oregon. Some people will allow ten such initiatives to pass in order to focus all their efforts on defeating one in the state they feel is most likely to do so. In this case, Oregon has been chosen.
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Jonathan
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Joined: 21 Oct 2004
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Location: Minnesota and/or North Dakota
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Amadeo wrote: | | Although the vote in all eleven states is important, your prayers should be most focused on the issue in Oregon. Some people will allow ten such initiatives to pass in order to focus all their efforts on defeating one in the state they feel is most likely to do so. In this case, Oregon has been chosen. |
I'm kinda confused. Ten initiatives to defeat one in the states? Could you explain more?
-Jonathan |
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Jared
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan S. wrote: | | Amadeo wrote: | | Although the vote in all eleven states is important, your prayers should be most focused on the issue in Oregon. Some people will allow ten such initiatives to pass in order to focus all their efforts on defeating one in the states they feel is most likely to do so. In this case, Oregon has been chosen. |
I'm kinda confused. Ten initiatives to defeat one in the states? Could you explain more? |
What Amadeo is saying is that the ballot initiative is very likely to win handily in ten of the eleven states, so opponents of the measure are all but ignoring those states and instead focusing their concerted resources and efforts on the one state where they're most likely to make a difference, thus stemming the tide, giving their side a victory and some good press, etc.
The state where it will be the closest? Oregon. Thus Amadeo's comment. |
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Jonathan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, now I understand. Thanks Jared, I'll be praying for it.
-Jonathan |
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Jonathan
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All states reporting so far with marriage measures on the ballot have passed:
Georgia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Montana, Utah, Michigan, Mississippi, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Ohio all have approved the marriage amendment!
Pray for Oregon, that's where the real battle is.
Most of these are passing by a huge majority (like 70-80% in favor!)
CNN (online) isn't calling Oregon's vote yet, but, as of now (1120 cst), with 65% of precincts reporting, 56% in favor, 44% opposed.
When I started monitering Oregon's vote, it didn't look good, but it's turned around significantly since then. This whole post went from a prayer request to a praise report! Praise God!
-Jonathan
(So as not to break any rules, I won't make any new posts here after this, just keep editing as I keep hearing. And I will keep hearing. I won't leave my pc or tv until everythings said and done)
*Edit: They all passed! Even Oregon!
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Monday
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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In your state it is now 80% in favor of the ban and 20% against. That sounds good to me.  Praise the LORD! |
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