The Town Hall Archives Ahh, the nostalgia.     Search   Memberlist   Log in  The Runoff Election      The Town Hall Forum Index -> The Town of Odyssey Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message -Mellow boy Head Banger Drummer Dude Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 3123 Location: Canada BC (like you even know where that is) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:14 am    Post subject: ya thanks so much samwise but still 4 and 11. Jared Cute and Cuddly Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 4672 Location: Pennsylvania Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:52 am    Post subject: -Mellow boy wrote: no of corse not and if you want to here the fall story of those accounts then ask jared. Well, uh, I don't have nearly as positive account as you might hope, Mellow. I can state that some time ago, Mellow and Ferder both told me that they had lost their passwords to get into their accounts and had therefore set up new accounts. I would have far rather just adjusted their passwords, as I had done for others, but they disclosed that they had done this somewhat after the fact and I was loathe to delete old or new accounts because then all posts from those accounts would be lost, creating quite a few gaps in existing threads. I cannot say for certain whether or not they actually lost their passwords or currently have access to those old accounts. But that was all that I was aware of. I never really investigated. However, when I did so the other day, the results were shocking, in my opinion. Not only did I find their current accounts and those two old ones, but quite a few others. And there may be more. I have two ways of locating accounts: by IP matching, but this only works with accounts that have been used to post something recently (IPs aren't logged when someone only votes, unfortunately), and by name similiarity. For example, there are four different accounts with Mellow in the name. A quick check shows they all belong to the same person. A quick check also shows that there were all created a few days before the first mayoral election, when Ferder was running. There are two Ferders, but as I mentioned above, I have the reason for that. Then there's "alex k," which Mellow has now admitted he used to cheat with on several occasions and with which he most absolutely violated both the letter and spirit of Town Hall rules and regulation about having a single account. Not to mention "banana," who claims to be Mellow's sister. I can't say for sure whether it's Mellow claiming to be a sister or if it really is his sister, but I can say this: the account was created right around the time when the second election was called, with Ferder running again. "Banana" posted once, in an intro that said exactly, uh, nothing, right at that time, then never posted again. But DID, apparently, come back to vote. If this truly is a sibling, then its acceptable, but rather shoddy. It's one thing for a sibling who actually comes to the Town Hall to vote like that, but for one to create an account entirely for the purpose of voting? Well, as I said, it's not against the rules, but it's hardly impressive, either. I also have my doubts about there being a sister. Of course, it's just speculation and somewhat unfounded, but I am forced to note that in the siblings thread, Mellow responded to the question of whether or not he had siblings by saying he had a brother and we all knew him (Ferder, of course). Now, he didn't say he had no other siblings, but it doesn't sound like a response from someone who did. Then there's "kate48," who also posts from the same computer. And who might THIS be, Mellow? There's certainly an appearance of impropriety here and Mellow already admitted to one count of cheating. I'm not impressed. Furthermore, the fact that Mellow got five votes almost instantaneously previously and has received something like four votes over the course of nearly a day now -- and only one from someone outside of his immediate family -- seems to further the possibility that most of Mellow's and perhaps in the past, Ferder's, votes, were gained by questionable means. Can I prove it? No, which makes me somewhat loathe to say the above. But Mellow and Ferder violated several points of the Town Hall rules, cheated concerning at least one vote and it sure looks like perhaps a lot more. I repeat: I'm not impressed. Carolita Hawaiian Yoda Joined: 01 Mar 2003 Posts: 1151 Location: In the good ol' South Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:48 pm    Post subject: This may be too late to vote, but oh well.... I abstain from voting for mayor I vote for the closing of the Town of Odyssey. Ferder- Brickfilm Maker Extraordinaire Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 1730 Location: BC, Canada Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:04 pm    Post subject: Jared I would like to say that I am very angry at your unfounded accusations against my brother and me. I know that some of them are true but most aren't. I shall give you the honest truth, as a Christian, and if you won't believe it, just as you didn't believe Mellow when he said the truth, then my opinion of you will be very low. Quote: Well, uh, I don't have nearly as positive account as you might hope, Mellow. TRUTH Quote: I can state that some time ago, Mellow and Ferder both told me that they had lost their passwords to get into their accounts and had therefore set up new accounts. I would have far rather just adjusted their passwords, as I had done for others, but they disclosed that they had done this somewhat after the fact and I was loathe to delete old or new accounts because then all posts from those accounts would be lost, creating quite a few gaps in existing threads. TRUTH Quote: I cannot say for certain whether or not they actually lost their passwords or currently have access to those old accounts. We have indeed lost our passwords. Quote: But that was all that I was aware of. I never really investigated. However, when I did so the other day, the results were shocking, in my opinion. Not only did I find their current accounts and those two old ones, but quite a few others. And there may be more. I have two ways of locating accounts: by IP matching, but this only works with accounts that have been used to post something recently (IPs aren't logged when someone only votes, unfortunately), and by name similarity. For example, there are four different accounts with Mellow in the name. A quick check shows they all belong to the same person. A quick check also shows that there were all created a few days before the first mayoral election, when Ferder was running. I can explain. You have forgotten Jared that in the first mayoral election I was NOT running. It was you, Hawkeye, Samwise, and others. Mellow had seen me on the TH since June, and thought it would be fun to sign up to. The fact that he signed up when the elections were being held was coincidental. But Jared you may know that there is a thing that keeps people signing up twice with the same email. Mellow didn't have his own email at the time, and he couldn't use mine for the above reason, so he had to make up a false email. But after signing in he tried to log and the site wouldn't accept his password. He couldn't use the "forgot password" option since he didn't have email. So he tried to sign on again. The same thing happened. I am positive that he wasn't just forgetting or misspelling his password. There must have been a glitch at that time. Finally he succeeded in signing in. So he had a whole bunch of accounts, but only one that he ever used. Then, later, we had the trouble signing in that you mentioned, Jared. So that left even more accounts. NONE OF THESE MELLOW AND FERDER ACCOUNTS HAVE BEEN USED TO VOTE! Quote: Then there's "alex k," which Mellow has now admitted he used to cheat with on several occasions and with which he most absolutely violated both the letter and spirit of Town Hall rules and regulation about having a single account. TRUTH There is a long and complicated history about Alex K that far exceeds this board. But frankly, it has almost nothing to do with this and isn't any of your business. Alex K was NOT originally created to vote for Mellow. He first signed into the TH, as part of an experiment Mellow was doing to see what people would think of him if they hadn't met him. Sort of a fresh start. Then Mellow realized that Alex could serve other purposes. It is a fact that people will vote for someone if they see others voting for that person. Mellow wanted it to seem like he had a bunch of supporters so that people would follow them. Then Mellow realized that he might as well let Alex vote for him. Quote: Not to mention "banana," who claims to be Mellow's sister. I can't say for sure whether it's Mellow claiming to be a sister or if it really is his sister, but I can say this: the account was created right around the time when the second election was called, with Ferder running again. "Banana" posted once, in an intro that said exactly, uh, nothing, right at that time, then never posted again. But DID, apparently, come back to vote. If this truly is a sibling, then its acceptable, but rather shoddy. It's one thing for a sibling who actually comes to the Town Hall to vote like that, but for one to create an account entirely for the purpose of voting? Well, as I said, it's not against the rules, but it's hardly impressive, either. Banana IS mine and Mellow's sister. She actually did sign in. She signed in to vote for me as well has become part of the TH community. But after an incident (connected with the Alex K history) she was discouraged to use message boards, and hence never posted again at the TH as Banana (except recently). Quote: I also have my doubts about there being a sister. Of course, it's just speculation and somewhat unfounded, but I am forced to note that in the siblings thread, Mellow responded to the question of whether or not he had siblings by saying he had a brother and we all knew him (Ferder, of course). Now, he didn't say he had no other siblings, but it doesn't sound like a response from someone who did. Mellow knew that it is a good idea to keep private information away from strangers. But I believe that there are a few people on here who can testify that Mellow has 4 siblings. Quote: Then there's "kate48," who also posts from the same computer. And who might THIS be, Mellow? I had no idea who Kate 48 was and neither did Mellow. I've just asked my sister (banana) who has revealed that SHE was Kate 48. She, to my horror, was the fifth voter. I had no idea that she had signed on or posted here. It has nothing to do with Mellow and Me. Quote: Furthermore, the fact that Mellow got five votes almost instantaneously previously and has received something like four votes over the course of nearly a day now -- and only one from someone outside of his immediate family -- seems to further the possibility that most of Mellow's and perhaps in the past, Ferder's, votes, were gained by questionable means. FALSE! I have never cheated in my campaigns. the ONLY cheat vote that Mellow used as Alex’s. He never used his old Mellow accounts, and I never used my old Ferder accounts Quote: Can I prove it? No, which makes me somewhat loathe to say the above. But Mellow and Ferder violated several points of the Town Hall rules, cheated concerning at least one vote and it sure looks like perhaps a lot more. I repeat: I'm not impressed. I must say that all I have said is the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING but the TRUTH. I must also say that it was MELLOW that cheated. I know I did not prevent him, but that is because I try not to be a busybody. My reputation should not be based on what Mellow does. I regret that Mellow made Alex K, and so does Mellow. Zaphod Beeblebrox President of the Galaxy Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 1901 Location: Betelgeuse Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:17 pm    Post subject: I personally accept Ferder's explanation. E87M2 Senior Member Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 1106 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:23 pm    Post subject: I have decided NOT to vote for mayor. I support the closing of ToO. Jared Cute and Cuddly Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 4672 Location: Pennsylvania Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:36 pm    Post subject: Voting should have closed about two hours ago. My apologies. Voting is now officially closed. As the last two votes don't sway the outcome in the least, we have no real problem because of my slowness in ending this, fortunately. I'm leaving in a few minutes, so I don't have time to officially tally everything at the moment (anyone else want to do that? ), but it's safe to say the following: Congratulations, Arthur Dent, mayor of the Town of -- Oops, there IS no Town of Odyssey for which you can be mayor! (Perhaps we can grant you some TH advisory position or something ) (Perhaps.) This board will soon be closed. An archived copy will be saved somewhere in case we for some reason ever want to find a post in it. (Doubtful.) And we'll all rejoice, knowing this board is no more! E87M2 Senior Member Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 1106 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:17 pm    Post subject: Jared wrote: I'm leaving in a few minutes, so I don't have time to officially tally everything at the moment (anyone else want to do that? ), Well, I don't know if I have the authority to do so, but I tallied up the results up until Jared officially stopped it. I checked it four times, so I believe it to be accurate: feel free to make sure. -MELLOW_BOY: 5 votes Arthur Dent 12 votes. 5 voters abstained from voting for mayor. KEEP ToO: 4 votes. DESTROY ToO: 14 votes. At any rate, the outcome is clear. Notes for clarification: Thorin Oakenshield, you need to specify if you meant a vote to keep "Town Of Odyssey" insteand of "Town Hall" in your post. I assume it is the former, but have not counted the vote until it is confirmed. I counted Jared's vote as stated in his first post, even though he removed the poll afterwards. NONE Guest Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:19 pm    Post subject: The people are thrilled that the Town of Odyssey will finally be closed! -Mellow boy Head Banger Drummer Dude Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 3123 Location: Canada BC (like you even know where that is) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:02 pm    Post subject: Im not thrilled and I'm not rejoicing either. Not because I lost, but because ToO will soon be gone Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First     The Town Hall Forum Index -> The Town of Odyssey All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next Page 4 of 5 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group