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Would you vote for me after reading my speech?
Yes
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Yes
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No way! You're evil enough to marry Regis, what's stopping you from taking over Odyssey?
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No way! You're evil enough to marry Regis, what's stopping you from taking over Odyssey?
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Rachael Blackgaard
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 6:56 pm    Post subject: My mayoral speech

"Citizens of Odyssey, my campaign is one of dignity, integrity, and honesty. If elected, I will fight to provide our children with a better public school education, comparable to that of children in private schools. I will provide better medical care for the sick and elderly, and fight for patient's rights. If I am elected mayor, NO sickly or elderly person will be wronged or mistreated by a medical personnel.
"Also if I am elected, I will do my best to set up houses for the homeless, the domestically abused, and the neglected children of Odyssey. As a woman, these issues are very close to my heart. I will also fight to keep the government from nosing it's way into your business. There will be no issuing of tickets for not wearing seatbelts. Anyone over the age of 21 will be considered an adult and will not be ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt. I will, however, enforce the strapping of children under the age of three years old into child safety seats.
"Every parent should have the right to discipline their child in a correct manner; I firmly believe in the Bible principle of spanking children. No parent shall ever, except in extreme cases, such as burning, profuse beating, or suffocation, be questioned by government agencies such as the CPA about the discipline they administer to their children. In the role of mayor, I would treat every citizen of Odyssey as I would wish to be treated. The children will be treated as I would want my daughter to be treated. If we can restore Godly priniciples to our town, Odyssey could truly raise the church of tomorrow. That is all."
Jared
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:14 pm    Post subject:

Hmm...

Allow me to repeat that: Hmm...

In another thread, you talk about your Republican-style campaign. However, your talk about improving schools, expanding health care, fighting for "patient's rights" and increasing the welfare system don't sound all that Republican to me.

Of course, you said you want to improve schools and perhaps I should give you the benefit of the doubt that you will make improvements by changing things (requiring higher standards, forcing standardized testing, restricting teacher's union abilities, etc.) rather than just throwing more money at the problem. Then again, you're running for mayor, not head of the school board. (And please: no one use that sentence to say that I'm in support of a position of school board chair of Odyssey... I am NOT!)

But expanding health care? Our current system is already an out-of-control monstrosity. How precisely are you going to expand it further? Raising taxes, I presume? Charity should be the job of individuals, not the government.

The "patients bill of rights" concept is absurd and if what you are advocating is a scaled-down, local version of that, I must oppose you on that as well. Patients are PEOPLE and people have rights. These additional "rights," such as the right to sue for malpractice at any amount, are crazy. Sorry, but surgery CAN be dangerous. Doctor's can't survive if they're sued after every treatment that doesn't turn out perfectly. And sorry, but no injury is worth $100 million. Caps make sense.

Also, a patient's bill of rights entails the "right" to certain coverage, forced to be payed by the individual's business. That's nonsense. No, I can't support "patient's rights."

Setting up homeless shelters is needed to a degree, but Odyssey isn't a very poverty-stricken town and the people give generously enough. This is a job for charitable organizations, not the Odyssey government. Of couse, the government does have some responsibilities in this regard, specifically in the case of seriously abused children. But a TOWN doesn't take care of this; a COUNTY does.

Also, seatbelt laws are state laws and cannot be changed by a town. While a town can make laws unenumerated in state and federal statutes, they cannot override or overrule them.

And while I agree with what you are saying in your last point, allow me to point out that child abuse is not on the town level and investigation into such matters is out of the town's hands as well.

You end with "That is all." Strange... Were you addressing all citizens... or just "calling all cars"? Wink
Eiram
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:12 am    Post subject:

Is Odyssey not a part of the whole world? Start small and work your way up.
Rachael Blackgaard
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 8:47 am    Post subject:

Jared Walczak wrote:

Of course, you said you want to improve schools and perhaps I should give you the benefit of the doubt that you will make improvements by changing things (requiring higher standards, forcing standardized testing, restricting teacher's union abilities, etc.) rather than just throwing more money at the problem. Then again, you're running for mayor, not head of the school board. (And please: no one use that sentence to say that I'm in support of a position of school board chair of Odyssey... I am NOT!)


Throwing money at the problem? What will that help? I'm talking about allowing the pledge of allegience back in schools, with the promise that no one will be forced to say it; I'm talking about letting students pray and read their Bibles in schools and not be told to stop by their teachers or principals; I'm talking about the ten commandments being on the wall, high school abstinence education programs, and better teachers. I'm talking about smaller class sizes, and more qualified teachers.

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But expanding health care? Our current system is already an out-of-control monstrosity. How precisely are you going to expand it further? Raising taxes, I presume? Charity should be the job of individuals, not the government.


I think you misunderstand me. I plan on improving the healthcare system not by increasing taxes, but by keeping the patients safe while they are at the doctor.

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The "patients bill of rights" concept is absurd and if what you are advocating is a scaled-down, local version of that, I must oppose you on that as well. Patients are PEOPLE and people have rights. These additional "rights," such as the right to sue for malpractice at any amount, are crazy. Sorry, but surgery CAN be dangerous. Doctor's can't survive if they're sued after every treatment that doesn't turn out perfectly. And sorry, but no injury is worth $100 million. Caps make sense.

Also, a patient's bill of rights entails the "right" to certain coverage, forced to be payed by the individual's business. That's nonsense. No, I can't support "patient's rights."


Then it's all right for a doctor to knowingly give a patient an antibiotic for a viral infection? Or for them to experiment with drugs on unknowing patients like guinea pigs? Or for doctors to perform a C section to deliver a baby because they have a golf game? Maybe I'm being overprotective, having an infant daughter and a nephew on the way, but nothing infuriates me more than doctors treating patients like idiots. My new program will include the patient's right to decline any treatment they do not want performed on them, something most of the doctors ignore. Sure, they can't force you to have surgery, but a lot of them pressure you into it when it is absolutely unneccessary.

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Setting up homeless shelters is needed to a degree, but Odyssey isn't a very poverty-stricken town and the people give generously enough. This is a job for charitable organizations, not the Odyssey government. Of couse, the government does have some responsibilities in this regard, specifically in the case of seriously abused children. But a TOWN doesn't take care of this; a COUNTY does.


Have you lived on the outskirts of this town? Visit them, and tell me again that this town isn't poverty stricken. My family recently lived in that area, and no one pays it any attention. The urban/suburban communities are doing well enough, but near the edge of town there are countless families without enough money to pay their rent, so they are thrown out of their home. We took in four families in the course of two years after all of them were evicted or had their homes repossessed.
And I have seen too many cases where children were taken from their loving parents and placed with foster parents for spanking their child. Unless someone files a report with the proper authorities, saying that the child's life is indeed in danger, the government will not interfere with a private family situation.

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You end with "That is all." Strange... Were you addressing all citizens... or just "calling all cars"? Wink


Hey, I work with the government. We tend to substitute "That is all" with "goodbye".
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 10:04 am    Post subject:

I don't have the attention span for long speaches so I didn't read it.
Jared
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 11:51 am    Post subject:

Rachael Blackgaard wrote:
[on education] Throwing money at the problem? What will that help? I'm talking about allowing the pledge of allegience back in schools, with the promise that no one will be forced to say it; I'm talking about letting students pray and read their Bibles in schools and not be told to stop by their teachers or principals; I'm talking about the ten commandments being on the wall, high school abstinence education programs, and better teachers. I'm talking about smaller class sizes, and more qualified teachers.

Except that NONE of that falls under the jurisdiction of the mayor. The pledge has NOT been taken out of schools; that was overturned. Individual schools may choose whether or not to say the pledge. Forcing them to would be a state issue; choosing to under a voluntary system as it is now falls under the jurisdiction of the school board, NOT the mayor.

Federal law requires Bibles to be permitted for reading at lunch, etc., and it is already a violation of the law for a teacher to force a student to refrain from reading it or to confiscate it. The rest on your list also come under state and local school board issues -- the mayor has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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I think you misunderstand me. I plan on improving the healthcare system not by increasing taxes, but by keeping the patients safe while they are at the doctor.

Huh? Keeping them safe while at the doctor's? But since this seems to tie in with your next point, I'll comment there.

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Then it's all right for a doctor to knowingly give a patient an antibiotic for a viral infection? Or for them to experiment with drugs on unknowing patients like guinea pigs? Or for doctors to perform a C section to deliver a baby because they have a golf game? Maybe I'm being overprotective, having an infant daughter and a nephew on the way, but nothing infuriates me more than doctors treating patients like idiots. My new program will include the patient's right to decline any treatment they do not want performed on them, something most of the doctors ignore. Sure, they can't force you to have surgery, but a lot of them pressure you into it when it is absolutely unneccessary.

That's all nonsense and new laws to prevent that type of thing is ludicrous as all of that is ALREADY illegal. No doctor is permitted to experiment on patients without their complete conscious knowledge, full consent and the consent of a relative or guardian. A patient's bill of rights to stop this makes no more sense than promising new laws to punish murderers; THEY ALREADY EXIST AND ARE ENFORCED!

And a doctor knowingly giving a patient the wrong medicine? Well, first, I must ask why a doctor would WANT to do that. And if it was intent to harm or to kill, well, that's ALREADY against the law, patient's useless bill of rights or not.

You give the example of a doctor performing a Cesarean so they can get to a golf game. In this very imperfect world, yes, I'm sure it's happened. But... uh, what in the world would a patient's bill of rights do to stop that? WITHOUT the bill, the patient already has a solid case against the doctor (malpractice, duress, undue harm and more). That doctor would be done, possibly jailed, definitely fined more than he could ever pay... and the patient would collect millions.

So, what exactly would a patient's bill of rights do that can't already be done?

Also, your claim that doctors ignore a patient's wishes is absolutely absurd. Sure, they may try to convince an individual, but after all, they DO know more than you about the issue and their judgment is probably far better than yours. But bottom line, as you even admitted, they can't FORCE you to accept a treatment. So what would your patient's bill of rights do? Forbid doctor's from doing their job properly by making recommendations!?

Also, clear something up for me, if you will: you mention your infant daughter. Now I'm confused, as you seem to have blurred the line between the real (your life) and the imaginary (Odyssey). Do you really have a daughter? For some reason, I thought your profile at the Mole Boards said you were fifteen years old...

Oh, and one more thing: no mayor has ANY power over "patient's bill of rights" issues. That's a U.S. Constitutional issue; we're talking a constitutional amendment approved by 2/3rds of Congress here, not a mayor somewhere who decides it might be a good idea. None of your plans for the town are even things a mayor is permitted to do.


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Have you lived on the outskirts of this town? Visit them, and tell me again that this town isn't poverty stricken. My family recently lived in that area, and no one pays it any attention. The urban/suburban communities are doing well enough, but near the edge of town there are countless families without enough money to pay their rent, so they are thrown out of their home. We took in four families in the course of two years after all of them were evicted or had their homes repossessed.
And I have seen too many cases where children were taken from their loving parents and placed with foster parents for spanking their child. Unless someone files a report with the proper authorities, saying that the child's life is indeed in danger, the government will not interfere with a private family situation.

Once again, you blur the line between Odyssey and your life. Uh, we're talking about mayor of Odyssey here and from what we've heard on the show, Odyssey is NOT a poverty-stricken town and the outskirts are actually pretty up-scale. You say your family recently lived in this area. Yeah, you live in Odyssey... sure...

This isn't REAL, remember...

But let's take a look at that eviction/repossessing of homes thing. Don't you perhaps see a problem that these supposed people (are these real people you know in real life or is this made up stuff for Odyssey? I've lost track...) defaulted on their mortgages. Sure, times may be very tough and maybe they thought they could pay the monthly amount but fell seriously behind. But how exactly is that the GOVERNMENT'S fault?

Then you go on about how the government doesn't protect children from abuse but does take them away if they are spanked, noting that you've seen many cases of this. Is this just a fictional Odyssey resume or are you claiming to have actually seen this? Because, of course, you couldn't have. Yes, many liberal organizations have pushed for corporal punishment being classified as child abuse and yes, it is on the books in some places, but at least at this time, a mere spanking is NOT going to get a child pulled away from his home. I think that's been tried a total of two times (both in California, I think) and both times, the courts quickly overturned the arbitrary seizure. So, if you're claiming to have actually known many to which this has happened, all I can say is that what you claim is not possible.

You also note that nothing can be done about abuse unless something is reported. Yeah. Of course. You have a better idea? Like, maybe, having people from the government peering in your windows to see if you're abusing your kids? How WOULD they know to take action without something being reported? OF COURSE they can't act until they have reason to do so!

At the end of your last reply, you say that you work in government. I refer you again to the age issue: aren't you fifteen, maybe sixteen by now? And on the government issue, you claim to work in government and are therefore used to saying "That is all" because that's how "goodbye" is often said in government. Uh, no... That's a radio transmission closing and is often used in emergency personnel radio calls for police, fire and EMT emergencies in order to signal the end of that particular transmission, but that's it. It is NOT used as a form of "goodbye" by those in government. If you used this, you'd get a lot of stares.

Is this all made-up campaign stuff? If so, none of it makes any sense because none of it is mayoral in any way. What can you ACTUALLY do for the Town Hall if elected?

If you are saying this is real, then we have a problem... because much of it definitely is not.
Rachael Blackgaard
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 12:54 pm    Post subject:

Why would a doctor give someone medicine that was not tested? TO TEST IT. They wouldn't give them the medication if they knew it would kill them; only if they didn't know how it worked.


Blurred the line? I haven't blurred it at all. This is Odyssey, and in Odyssey I'm 27 years old, married, with a six month old. At any place on an Odyssey based board I'll say something like that. I don't see anything wrong with that. In real life I'm fourteen, with no interests in getting married or having children. I don't currently work with the NSA as a molecular biologist, neither do I personally know Tasha Forbes and Jason Whitaker. I know these things. And Felicity Carden is not my sister-in-law, as far as I know. And I also don't think she's six months pregnant, although I wouldn't know anything about that. And I seriously doubt that even if she is pregnant, she's married to Edwin. I may have a lot of problems, but I can still recognize what's truth and what's Odyssey.

In real life: No, I've never known anyone personally whose kids were taken, but a friend of a best friend was taken from her house because her parents homeschooled her. She was returned, but she still is traumatized by it.

Calm down, Jared! You don't have to get upset over a pretend election. As you said, this isn't even real. I'm not sure why you're so upset, unless it's from my utter lack of knowledge about anything related to politics. Everything in my campaign speech is assuming that Odyssey has those kinds of problems, and none of us (except the writers, maybe) can prove that there aren't sections of Odyssey that would have these things going on.

My closing comments: I think you need to relax for a little while. You're getting worked up over a fictional election that has NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE. Politics may be energetic, but there's no reason to get so upset. Your position as mayor isn't even at stake, from the looks of my poll. THe only reason I have ANY votes is because I voted for myself.
Smile The only reason I was running was to take over Odyssey, but I can't fool the smart citizens of Odyssey. I believe I'll step down, and the citizens can have some legitimate candidates. Next time I'll know to stay out of politics, especially when the only reason I want to win a campaign is to take over a town.
Jared
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 2:24 pm    Post subject:

Well, doctors are NOT allowed to just arbitrarily test new medicines. First, a drug must be approved by the Food and Drug Administration after substansitive laboratory tests done by that administration -- tests not involving humans.

Then, once the drug is believed perfectly safe, then, and only then, can it make its way into the hands of doctors for use. And even then, at first it is only on a voluntary basis. Since I presume we're not talking about your average allergy pill here, let's use the example of a new potentially life-saving drug. An individual with no other real hope of surviving might be given the OPTION, knowing the risks fully, of trying the medication. But doctors do not even have access to medicine until thoroughly tested, nor may they use non-approved drugs at any time. They don't give untested medicine to a person "just to find out if it works" without complete knowledge and express approval of the person involved and even then, only after thorough FDA tests.

Any violation of this is already criminal and if a person died from a medication he did not agree to use, it's voluntary manslaughter. At best.

So, new laws wouldn't stop this... It's ALREADY a crime and a severe one.

As for the other parts, well, since you readily admit that what you said is just an "on the board identity" of sorts, I have no real problem... Sadly, though, some people have made up information about themselves and I know it to be false. I thought this was another case of that and I'm glad it's not.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:09 pm    Post subject:

Jared Walczak wrote:
And on the government issue, you claim to work in government and are therefore used to saying "That is all" because that's how "goodbye" is often said in government. Uh, no... That's a radio transmission closing and is often used in emergency personnel radio calls for police, fire and EMT emergencies in order to signal the end of that particular transmission, but that's it. It is NOT used as a form of "goodbye" by those in government.


Uhh, police? Fire? That is government! Wink

Jared Walczak wrote:
And a doctor knowingly giving a patient the wrong medicine? Well, first, I must ask why a doctor would WANT to do that.


Well, it's a known fact that what was she was talking about (giving an antibiotic for a viral infection) happens all the time! If you go to a doctor and tell them you're sick, they give you amoxicillin. They don't test to see whether it is a viral or bacterial infection. And it's always amoxicillin, no matter what, unless you tell them you want something different. It doesn't take a medical degree to be able to do that. They do nothing for you, in those situations, except harm your health, by destroying the good bacteria in your gastroinstestinal tract, which are there to help you fight your infection and to help your immune system!

And when your good bacteria are destroyed by an antibiotic, and you don't replace the good bacteria (probiotics), the SAD (Standard American Diet) is what the bad bacteria thrive on, and your intestinal flora can be thrown way out of balance in favor of the bad bacteria, and you can get all kinds of diseases, including things like the potentially very dangerous Crohn's disease!

Jared Walczak wrote:
Then, once the drug is believed perfectly safe, then, and only then, can it make its way into the hands of doctors for use. And even then, at first it is only on a voluntary basis.


"Perfectly safe"!!!??? Oh my, I don't think I want to get into this...

Actually, drugs can be very toxic and harmful, causing all kinds of side effects, including some very dangerous side effects.

Jeremy
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:22 pm    Post subject:

It was a good speach...until Jared stomped it down! Very Happy

Are you married to Regis? I thought he was dating Margaret Faye... Wink

Could you possibly abrige that? Some of us (like Ferder) don't have long attentipon spans for things like that.
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