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Speaking in tongues...
...is of the devil!
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...is of God, but should be done rarely!
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...is of God, and should be exercised often!
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...is just dumb and pointless!
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...was of God, but no longer used today!
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...freaks me out and makes me wet my pants!
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...I...I dunno... but I can't see the results unless I vote for SOMETHING!
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The Top Crusader
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:25 pm    Post subject: Speaking in Tongues Debate! BOOYAH!

You can talk either about the usual, or about standing inside of a tongue and talking, I don't care.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:29 pm    Post subject:

I think speaking in tongues can be OK, but most of what goes on nowadays is fake and (dare I say it?) downright stupid.

My brother went to a charismatic church once (just to visit) and said that he heard the kids repeating what there parents had "said" in church. Then the next sunday, they say it... well, I'm not sure about that, but really. I think it's sorta weird.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:58 am    Post subject:

I do believe speaking in tongues is not a thing that has passed. I actually know two people who speak in tongues, and they aren't crazy wacked out charismatic cultists. (Disclaimer: Please don't take the last statement to mean that I think charismatics are cult members. I don't.) Anyway, they aren't wacked out, and thats a good thing, cause one is my mother. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:44 am    Post subject:

Yeah, I was raised in a charismatic church, and have since fled to the Baptist side of the force, but I do believe the Bible indicates that speaking in tongues is still to be used, I don't personally. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:32 am    Post subject:

The Top Crusader wrote:
Yeah, I was raised in a charismatic church, and have since fled to the Baptist side of the force, but I do believe the Bible indicates that speaking in tongues is still to be used, I don't personally. Sad


Well, its a gift, some people have it, some people don't, same as some people can sing, or draw, or encourage, etc and others can't.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Just a quick thought: read the accounts of speaking in tongues in the Bible and notice that the speakers said the words IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE and each listener heard those words IN THEIR LANGUAGE. Compare this with the Pentacostal/charmismatic definition of tongues, where people speak jibberish and NO ONE understands them.

The purpose of tongues - and I believe it to be a gift for only the apostolic age, by the way - was to be able to speak to MORE people, not to make your words unintelligible. Some people today are speaking jibberish, but they're not speaking in tongues.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:47 pm    Post subject:

I believe (and my church/family/friends) that tongues are a gift from God. I've heard it put as one's 'spiritual prayer language.' I believe that tongues is that person's personal communication with God. The only person that needs to understand it is God. I also believe that some people have the gift of interpretation of tongues.

I do speak in tongues when I pray for others. And (this is to you, Top) it is a gift. God chooses to give it to some people, but to others, he gives other gifts.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:03 pm    Post subject:

At my church, lots of people speak in tongues. It's a pentecostal church. We accept speaking in tongues, but we don't assume it to be from God if no one can translate what the person said.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:12 pm    Post subject:

Jared Walczak wrote:
Just a quick thought: read the accounts of speaking in tongues in the Bible and notice that the speakers said the words IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE and each listener heard those words IN THEIR LANGUAGE. Compare this with the Pentacostal/charmismatic definition of tongues, where people speak jibberish and NO ONE understands them.

The purpose of tongues - and I believe it to be a gift for only the apostolic age, by the way - was to be able to speak to MORE people, not to make your words unintelligible. Some people today are speaking jibberish, but they're not speaking in tongues.


Once upon a time... No, really.

Once my father told me about this prayer meeting he went to, where a friend started praying in tongues. He couldn't understand, and apparently, neither could anyone else. Then, as my dad and his friends were discussing it afterwards, another brother spoke up and said, "Wait a second, I could understand it!" and proceeded to translate it. Apparently that brother had assumed everyone else was understanding the other brothers words.

There are some with the gift of tongues, some with the gift of translation, and some with neither. I do not believe that all tongues have to be in a language everyone can understand. Either a. its an "angel" tongue that God can understand, (after all, he's the only one that matters when it comes to prayer) or b. perhaps its a tongue spoken in deepest darkest africa. You never know.

And then there was the other time where my father was at another prayer meeting, and some man got up and started praying in tongues, and midway through the prayer, it was clear no one understood a word he was saying, so the leaders had him stop.

Sometimes people who pray in tongues are unable to translate it themselves. I'm assuming that would be the tongue of angels.
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[1] as the Spirit enabled them.
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11(both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs--we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"
13Some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much wine.[2] "

Peter Addresses the Crowd

14Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning! 16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.'[3]

Read also 1 Corinthians 12

1 Corinthians 13:1
1If I speak in the tongues[1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

And I think 1 Corinthians 14 says it all...

I do not believe speaking in tongues was only for the apostolic age. I see no verse in the bible that says so. If you know of one, please post the reference, and I'll see about it.

I do believe that if someone is speaking in tongues on front of other people, and no one can understand, then they should STOP, and sit down. Like 1 Corinthians 14 says, what is the point to speaking in tongues if it isn't going to edify the congregation? Better to speak in a language people can understand.

I do believe that it is possible some people speak in some tongues that no man will be able to translate. That would be the tongue of angels, and intended for God's ears only.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:22 pm    Post subject:

I had a fantastic oppurtunity to speak to a professor of religion, also a pastor of a Christian Reformed Church, on the topic of speaking in tongues. Coming from a very conservative church, I used to believe that all speaking in tongues was of the devil, or it was a lie. But the Bible speaks of it often, and speaking in tongues is very common in churches today, especially in Africa. My option was this: either I call everyone who claims to have spoken in tongues a liar or deceived by the devil, or I accept that speaking in tongues still happens today. My prof noted that he didn't believe in speaking in tongues until he was challenged with this very question. Not every person who speaks in tongues is a liar, and not all tongues come from the devil: the devil would not give somebody the ability to speak in tongues when it edifies his faith, Satan is trying to work in the opposite direction. A friend of mine claims to speak in a "prayer language." It comes when he does personal devotions, and he speaks to God in this special language. He is a very solid, steady guy, but I had to look at him twice when he said that he believed he was speaking in the tongue of angels... (if you speak in the tongue of men or angels, but have not love...) I don't understand the purpose of tongues, I don't understand why God has not taken it away, and I do not desire it for myself. It is not a big gift, it is a gift, but not desirable over many of the other gifts that God has given. It is mainly a self-edifying gift, it doesn't seem to add to a Church and it's worship, in my experience, it takes away from a worship service.
The prof said that while he believed tongues was a legitamate gift, he did not desire it, and he did not desire it for the people of his congregation. We need so many other gifts to develop and become useful for the church, then to dedicate our entire focus to the gift of tongues.
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